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I'm so annoyed we have to deal with the negative connotations with KW being in on a guy, because Abrams is good and doesn't deserve to be treated as a "athlete pick" because two athletic (college) outfielders failed in the last 20 years.

There are two things that specifically highlight to me how this group is still worse than at this point all other teams: - re: the bolded - they have still targeted the exact same types of veterans to "fill out the team". The expectation may be lower, but that they still are attracted to these players who have almost universally performed below expectations is a huge red flag to me. I don't care if we aren't trying to win the division, every player acquisition should be made with some idea of what their productionw ill be and they should hit it or it fails. Nearly all have failed. - The other is a post balta made a while ago. Nearly all successful rebuilds had "a thing" that the org did that zigged where others zagged and found excess value. The only place I could have seen where sox did that was with relief pitchers. They specifically targeted in the draft, with excess intl bonus pool money, and in trades minor league and/or college relievers and even had quotes that fabian thought this could be the new moneyball or whatever. This has shown to be a waste of resources and the only decent one we seem to have groomed (who is bad this year) was Fry, who was a traditional starting pitcher to bullpen guy. Everything else I think is either premature or just possibly bad luck, but these will handicap the success of whatever comes of this rebuidl if we keep the same front office. Only I can fix it if they put me in charge as GM.

Exactly what I was thinking of this morning. I am not a books game of throne fan, so some stuff I'm just ignore because sorry but TV is not the same as books, it's just not possible to get the detail in without it being a Nolan film where they just explain the rules for 4 hours. But the criticism for how the show has treated the fantasy and magical elements at arms length is true, and bran, especially if it's just what it is now, is a just lazy lazy choice.

Actually I disagree with the last point, i think the jon vs. dany stuff has been foreshadowed for a long ass time. Also, I don't think Dany was trying to take Kings landing with a 45 person army, that was just a meeting to negotiate.

Ha, I'm in same boat with you. I am not mad, I'm resigned to the fate of the show and that they needed to end it because these actors and production folks need to move on and its an intense show to work on, but this was back to season 7 super sped up just get people to their plot points (after the first 30 minutes at least).

Tired of time line arguments with high schoolers. Sox took 3 college players in 2016, and carter kieboom, a high school pick, made it to the big leagues before all of em. You can't plan on the college player being up there in 3 years any more than a high schooler.

That first double was definitely a “Birmingham home run”

Tiquan Forbes just worked a 12 pitch AB for a walk

Death

Also Sox worst tendencies are spending way too much draft capital on college pitchers with low velo repertoires.

Athleticism is good.

This is where I hope additions like Lisle are focused. That he was id’d to be a college hitting coach made me happy, college programs have been doing a great job with finding good teachers and pros have been poaching them. He has the ability but needs someone to tap into his technique.

Lol

The slide feet first people aren’t here huh

Castellanos is an Abreu replacement.

Castellanos is an abreu replacement.

throw a bunch of baseballs at his feet and hope that he slips and lands on his shoulder just so, so that the tension creates an incredible whip lash that allows him to throw over 100.

I asked James Fegan for Pilkington velocity and he said he's still 87-91. Woof.

Who cares, we had him for 2.5 more years, that's a long time. I want 2021 to be very competitive, now we need a body to replace him that is more expensive and likely older.

Ugh if they go all college again. After rodon though, definitely feels like they'll try to plug holes.

Who cares, their new front office was hired prior to 2017, they've been on jobs for 2 years and already have a playoff appearance and appear likely to contend for central this year, and are looking like they will be able to be reall solid soon with Kiriloff, lewis and larnach. They aren't the same group now since 2012, and Falvey and Lavine seem to be really smart and experimental. Their team this year is playing really fun interesting ball. Despite a much smaller revenue outlook, they seem like they are just as likely to content for next decade as the white sox.

They could basically try to put together a brewers type rotation of solid top to bottom, hope kopech/cease are better than solid, and have legit depth (6-7 deep). Wood/Odorizzi/Roark would be around that though roark may be cooked. Or they'll sign madbum. They seem to love sinker ballers.

Wheeler is basically rodon but on free agent money. That's a bit scary but the risk they are now needing to take.

They will probably tread in the Rourk, Wood, etc. waters. Jake Odorizzi may be a decent 4-5 signing. He changed his profile this year to be more Four Seam/ Cutter/ Curve which is in line with sox flow. His cutter is a really good pitch. Ugh, this is what I'm excited about. Jake Odorizzi.

So do we think the red sox encourage their pitchers to rest more in between pitches? I can never stay up to finish sox/sox games.