Rowand44

QUOTE(3E8 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 03:28 PM) I'm sorry but this really means nothing unless we know how many chances each of them had to record an outfield assist. I really dont think assists mean all that much but rock seems to like that stat so I threw it out there.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) Juggs, arm strength means ALOT no matter what ballpark you are in. Do NOT make me bring up the OF assits numbers again from last year. Not only that, but Dye keeping the runner from advancing to 3rd has saved us many runs in the process. That OF would be the least productive offensively and the weakest throwing in the business, no thanks. For the record Pierre had 7 assists last year and Aaron had 3.

Poor Chaminade, they're just so bad.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) Michigan State looks freaking horrible. They are winning but Chaminade is not a good team, just like Hawaii is not a good team. Hawaii isn't horrible but I mean cmon.......CHAMINADE???? They're freaking division 2.

Chaminade hanging in there. Down 6 at half.

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) Like steals? Rowand is a more successful stealer, does that count? Also, tell me what a good offensive player does, since you obviously don't think having a higher slugging + on base percentage makes up a good one. Pierre is a better leadoff hitter, but is not the better offensive player. OPS isnt the end all, be all stat.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 09:15 AM) That's what I thought. Farmio has some crazy ideas. Last trade deadline he said Peavy and Oswalt were very available. Don't forget...last year I believe, Frank had to earn his spot on the team in spring training.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 08:57 AM) Unless the Sox released him, I do not believe Gload is a free agent. He's not.

QUOTE(rowandschick33 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 08:54 AM) wtf r all of u smoking? kw is trying to build this team on pitching and DEFENSE so if we get rid of aaron in my opinion then that just messes evrything up..he is without a doubt a better defensive player than f***in pierre..and u guys r wasting ur time going to chicagotribune.com and evrything else the only real way to find s*** out is actually going to whitesox.com...ppl on chicago tribune dont know s*** and thats just there views on evrything..ok i think im done Someone a little attatched to Aaron?

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 08:21 AM) Although slight, Aaron has a better stolen base percentage than Pierre (I would still take Pierre's ~40 more stolen bases, but still, he gets caught a hell of a lot as well). As for the runs, thats purely team dependant, and as you said, its kind of ridiculous to compare a player who hits in front of the meat of the lineup (Pierre) than one who hits at the bottom of the lineup (Rowand). And OPS shows how good the offensive player is. It doesn't show how good the player fits into the system, which is what you are saying. Rowand is a better offensive player according to the numbers. Is he a better leadoff hitter? No. Is he a better #2 guy? No. But is he a better overall offensive producer? Yes. Pierre has almost 2000 more AB's than Rowand, yet only has 14 more extra base hits than Rowand does. In fact, if Rowand had the same amount of AB's as Pierre, his overall numbers would trump Pierre's. We already have Juan Pierre on this team, his name is Scott Podsednik. I love Pods, and I love what he's done for this team, but we don't need two of him. The only way, I would ever trade for Pierre for this team would be if we also acquired Delgado from the Marlins, but past that, no thanks. This is how I'll put it: if Juan was here he'd make a better number 2 hitter then Aaron, correct?? Then if that was the case you move gooch down and he'd be a better run producer then Aaron imo. Overall offensively I think Juan is a better player, having 2 guys at the top of the order who can run like crazy and cause chaos would be terrific and like Ozzie said it takes some pressure off of Scott. EDIT: Actually to make this a fair comparison I should have stated Juan vs. Tad in the 2 hole. As good as Gooch was there I think Juan could be a bit better cause he can control the bat even better then the Gooch, and he doesn't strike out as much.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 08:03 AM) How long are the Marlins going to rely on potential with these pitchers though? Before the 2003 World Series, the Marlins rotation wasnt Dontrelle and a bunch of youngins, it was just a bunch of youngins. They waited for Burnett to get over the hump and pitch the way he could, and he could never do it with any sort of consistency. Beckett was a world beater in 03, but now 2 years later his career is still spotty and inconsistent. Brad Penny had arm problems and was shipped out for a quality catcher. I think that the Marlins just got to the point with the rotation where they had to cut bait(pun intended), and start over. That's fine and a fair point, they're just not going to win this year if that happens, that's what I'm saying. Now, if they don't expect to win this year and want to rebuild for the future then to be honest I have no problem with this deal if they land Diamond or Danks.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 07:55 AM) as far as all the fielding stats being thrown around, comparing Pierre and Arow, most are useless. Andruw Jones was 10th in range factor and 16th in zone rating, far behind guys who are known to be very inferior to Jones. Sometimes scouts and professional coaching staffs have a more accurate gauge on a player's defensive abilities. This time I'll wait on what the sox do with this situation. I'm not a fan of defensive statistics to be honest, there's just to much other things factor into those stats. I personally like to watch guys play before I make a judgement on them defensively, stats just don't do the justice, imo.

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 07:33 AM) OPS, which shows how productive a player is by merely adding their slugging percentage and on-base percentage. Pierre has, IIRC, a career .730, while Rowand's crap year last year was .736. No offense but it's kind of ridiculous to compare ops of a hitter who hits down in the order and was counted on for some power to comparing it to a leadoff hitter. Leadoff hitters aren't going to hit for power, it's not there job. Juan has a better career obp, steals more bases, and scores more runs. You really can't compare hard numbers with Juan and Aaron because they're in different roles for their respective teams. IMO Juan is a more valuable offensive player then Aaron but Aaron is a better defender...how much better I'm not really sure. Like I've said, I want to see Juan play some D as I really don't recall him playing CF that much even though I've seen him play a bunch of times.

Fresno State is done. Great effort though.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 12:18 AM) Start thinking of changing your name to Pierre 44, thats funny. You can use Brian Anderson also, just a thought. I'm not attatched at all to Aaron, I've been advocating trading AR if necessary to bring in a big bat. However, thinking he's not a great defender is ridiculous.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) Cameron has 3 gold gloves Aaron has 0 , the comparison ends there. Hunter, Cameron, Wells, Damon, A. Jones, Sizemore , Logan even Rookie W. Taverz had 10 assist to Rowands 3? Not exactlly in that order , thats for defense. LOL at the gold glove comments. Logan, Taveras, and Damon aren't even close to Aaron.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) Im sorry but Aaron is no where close to Cameron, Adruw Jones is much better than hima nd Ill take Wells 13 assists and no errors above Aaron. Name 6 better defensive cf's then Aaron? And Cameron and Rowand are very similar in the OF.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 11:44 PM) Game isn't over yet, Fresno won't go away, I'll guarantee you that. Can I take that back?

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 11:43 PM) No one thought USC was actually going to blow this, did they? They've been playing from behind all year. Game isn't over yet, Fresno won't go away, I'll guarantee you that.

Reggie Bush is the most ridiculous player ever, ever, ever, ever.

QUOTE(Fotop @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 11:33 PM) The simple, asshole answer: because they're Notre Dame. The complex answer: Well that might take awhile. But really who do you think is getting screwed for you to ask this question? Miami is out of the picture now, Va Tech will probably be repping the ACC (and if they lose to FSU they won't get an at large), Texas the big 12, whoever the big east (WVU? I don't even know), PSU the big 10, LSU or georgia in the SEC (with the loser being knocked out of contention). So that leaves OSU, ND, Oregon. So i know what you're thinking....Oregon is getting screwed. Currently, ND holds a slight margin over Oregon in the BCS. Both have losses to USC...with ND's being a "better" loss (if you could even classify a loss as such). But ND has the loss to MSU, again it was a close one, whereas Oregon has no other loss. So disregarding the logistics, you have to ask yourself who really is the better team? Polls would say ND is, watching games...well you'd probably say ND as well. I mean obviously this means nothing to you coming from me. But really, ND is a quality team....I haven't seen enough of Oregon to form an opinion on them so i wont really comment on them. Disregarding talent, you'd have to ask yourself hypothetically as someone in charge of the Fiesta Bowl (assuming that is where the at large team(s) would go) how can you turn down ND? High revenues, high ratings, these all come with having ND in your bowl. Is that fair to be the reason you put them in a bowl? Yes and no. No because you'd wish in a perfect world money is not a factor and the "best" teams should be in the bowl (even though i consider ND deserving). Yes because ND has earned, over time, preferential treatment because they've put the numbers up. They've given the bowl people the money they like to see, so they get the edge. To me, all of this is moot because I know my team can compete on a high level and will probably do well in a major bowl. However I understand why people would think ND was not deserving, just thought i'd shed some light on the situation. Great post fotop. I personally don't think ND should be in but everything you said makes perfect sense. Well done.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 10:13 PM) Fresno hanging with USC for now, anyway I think they're going to stay with them all game, they can play. I'm not saying they're going to win but I don't think they get blown out like most teams against USC in the 2nd half.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) Yeah it was close.........just a little bit. I think I just understood what you were saying, when I first read it I thought you meant when he caught the ball he was close to being out of bounds, but I understand what you're saying now. My bad.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 07:38 PM) Yep. My bust. THats pretty crazy isn't it. We aren't gonna sign back our base hit run driver inner. Not that I would either. I'm gonna be pissed if our lineup plan is: Pods Guch Frank/other questionable (as in Frank) DH Dye Pier Rowand Crede Uribe Anderson though. Because I am NOT a big Anderson fan. At least not for next year's offense. A year after that maybe. Don't worry about that jphat, I guarantee you that won't be our lineup next season.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 03:38 PM) I would like to see that reception to get Ohio State to the 5 yard line. He looked close to being out of bounds. Who knows. It wasn't really close at all.