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QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) Warren beat Waukegan last night by 6. They are 3-0 to start the season. I almost got dunked on my freshman year when we played waukegan. That was fun.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) ND is a pretty damn good team. With that said, it wouldn't surprise me to see them 5-3 in the Big Ten. OSU beats em easy. MSU already did. Penn St. is way overrated, ND would clean them out if that's the BCS matchup. I could see one of Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Northwestern beating ND. The thing is when you are playing good teams on a weekly basis you can't have a bad game and get away with it. 5-3 in the Big Ten is pretty good, I don't know how you can say ND is 7-4 when you don't know what games you are cutting out of the schedule left for non-conference. I think ND is a good team as much as I hate to admit it. I should add that I'm not saying they would go 5-3 in Big Ten play, but it wouldn't surprise me. I would expect 6-2 to be honest, which is still worthy of a top 15 ranking in the country if not higher. Penn State>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ND.

Lets go Bears D and Kyle Orton.

QUOTE(Palehose13 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 07:36 PM) What is laughable is that only one person (I believe) realizes that the $22 million coming from Philadelphia is to pay Jim Thome. I think most people know that. Most people in here were probably just talking what to do with the money we still have left due to only taking on about a 4 mill increase to get Thome.

QUOTE($I Need Money$ @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) you guys really hate carl don't you? None of us hate Carl but to put him in centerfield is a horrible idea.

QUOTE(SoxPride56 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) December 7th Important Dates December 7, 2005 Last date for former club of player who declared free agency under Article XX B to offer salary arbitration. If Club does not offer, then it loses all rights to negotiate with and sign the free agent until May 1 of the next season. That doesn't mean he has to be signed by then that just means we have to offer him arbitration by then if not signed already.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) You gotta remember with Reed, he had wrist problems all 2005, therefore the problems with the bat, but his defense at Safeco was better than advertised. And Jason, I know you don't like Gio , but you gotta admit, those K numbers he put up this season were very impressive for a 19 year old (during the season, he's 20 now). You gotta remember B-Mac didn't start really dominating until he was 21, and that was in 2004 when he went from low A, to high A and AA. As talented as Gio is, he's only pitched in High A ball and he's a bit injury prone. There is a good shot Gio won't even make it to the majors.

Think the Phillies are laughing at the world series ring on Kenny's finger?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 07:18 PM) How do you figure that we lost speed? Thome is supposedly our DH. Were Everett and Frank that much faster than him? Also, Anderson is supposed to be faster than Rowand. He's much faster.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Ed Debevich's tonight. Wow, I havent been to that place in ages.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 02:29 PM) When it comes to center fielders the Sox could aquire or use that would be adaquate enough defensively for the Sox's needs... Juan Pierre is dead last and the worst option availiable... HE SUCKS ASS IN CF!!!! No, No, No, No! Ozzie isn't that stupid... Let the scrubbies have their crappy joke of a CF... How many times have you seen Juan play in cf? Ozzie loves t he guy and I'm pretty sure he's seen him play a little bit more then you.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) Are you playing in CF. They still talk about winds swirling out there. There aren't many balls hit out to dead center. Usually the additional hr's have came from the short LF porch. Thats not saying the renovation changed the winds some, but I have still heard the same things about the wind since the renovations (specifically in CF). USCF made Andruw Jones look like an idiot in 04, I think that's all anyone needs to know.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) I'd say he is. They're both the same type of guys. Don't rely on speed, but rather on great jumps they get. Edmonds gets horrible jumps most of the time, he takes horrible routes to the ball and just makes diving, rolling web gems to get on sportscenter.

nite...how many times have you seen Brian Anderson play centerfield?

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) I'd say he's not Mark Kotsay or Vernon Wells either. He's in line with Jeremy Reed and Jim Edmonds. I'm not saying Rowand sucks or anything, but Anderson does have better tools defensively than Rowand. A lot of people are idiots for thinking that Rowand is so damn great defensively and can't be replaced...yadda yadda yadda. Jim Edmonds isn't even close to Aaron defensively.

Most likely he's not. KC doesn't want to get rid of him cause he's big in the community there and is the only person that the casual Royal fan would have ever heard of.

QUOTE(bmags @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 01:30 PM) i suppose your right, but i feel this is different because we actually have a chance with kong, rather than basically no chance with maggs, hell, well we didn't want him...I'd be very suprised if we don't sign him...but seriously 5 for 65 is ridiculous if he gets it... Maggs was the one who killed all negotiations with the Sox...that was his fault, not the sox.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) I felt that without a .300 hitter, someone to get on base, the team would have a hard time scoring runs. Small ball is nice, but someone has to get on. I think I was correct, they did struggle to score runs. I'm not saying I dislike this move. I think it is the best Kenny could do because I have almost no hope that Konerko will be resigned. It will be a huge steal *if* Thome returns healthy and *if* his body is holding up and *if* he adjusts to AL pitching. I am saying this is vintage Sox baseball. See above where Kenny said he couldn't get Pods or Uribe *if* they hadn't come off less than average seasons. Buy low and sell high is how SS described it. AJ, a move I liked, was coming off a season where he was labeled a clubhouse cancer, so *if* that was wrong, it would be a great signing. Another *if* came through. We are almost always signing cheaper players with *ifs* over proven guys in or near their prime. Baseball is a business and some times you have to take those risks. Thome is actually not that huge of a risk imo, he had one injury plagued year and none of those injuries should be nagging. Kenny does buy low and that's why he's so successful..he finds diamonds in the rough all the time. You don't just throw money at people just to throw money at them when you can find as good of an option for less..that's how teams get themselves in trouble. Also...IMO this team doesn't come close to a world championship if the Lee for Pods trade never happened, though I know I'm in the minority there since Pods seemed to hit many peoples s*** list for whatever reason.

QUOTE(JoshPR @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 10:56 PM) I wouldn't call Iguchi Solid. At least on D he's not. He's bad going back on Popups. With the bat i think we could expect more this comming season, him being acustom in the States. That said keep him where he is. Harris fills in nicely And there probably isn't a 2nd baseman who turns the double play better then Tad. He's a very solid 2nd baseman.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 12:57 PM) I'm not making it sound easier, I am trying to point out this is a typical Sox move. I should have been clearer Konerko will cost more than $10 mil, I agree. That is why I wrote $10 mil plus, choose the plus you want, plus $2 mil plus $3 mil plus $4 mil whatever. And look how often Thome and *if* are in the same sentance. *If* he returns to form, *if* his shoulder rehab works. This is classic Sox moves. Grab a guy with "ifs" for less and let the guy without "ifs" go. That is why my position is the World Series changed nothing. Konerko will not be signed, Thomas will. And people will write Thomas for 2 years $8 mil + incentives >>>>>> Konerko for 4-5 years, $52-$65 *IF* Frank is healthy and produces his regular numbers. This has been a fact of White Sox baseball for what seems like forever. Kenny has played the *if* game with an almost perfect record. Does this also mean we are getting away from small ball? Didn't you not like any of the moves last year either?? Kenny knows what he's doing. Also..no we're not getting away from smallball but we needed another middle of the order bat. EDIT: I should add that this team was still a mashing team last year but they could play smallball if need be. Anyways, we needed another middle of the order hitter and I still think Kenny and Oz would like to add someone so we can continue the smallball attitude.

QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 12:34 PM) I'm really getting sick of these ridiculous unsportmanslike conduct penalties. That might have been the most ridiculous call I've ever seen.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 12:36 PM) Anderson is also better than Rowand defensively. That's a fact. This I disagree with.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) From what I hear of Young, he has the same kind of potential as Patterson, the one difference being that Patterson is closer to being at the level today than Young is. It sounds like Young still has some work to do, but no one doubts his potential. I think Patterson has to loopy of a swing to ever be a successful hitter, but that's jmo.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 11:22 AM) Where in the order did Konerko hit almost all of last season? Where was he moved to in the order where he failed miserably? Where in the order has Thome batted quite a bit in his career and excelled there? What didn't we have last season? It's just so obvious who our #3 hitter will be. And aren't the righties split up at the top of this batting order? Podsednik (lefty) Iguchi (righty) Thome (lefty) Konerko (righty) Dye (righty) Pierzynski (lefty) Crede (righty) Anderson (righty) Uribe (righty) Konerko hits righties better than lefties anyways. He has always had trouble with tough lefties. Dye has always hit lefties better than righties. So worrying about the righty-lefty order is a bit overrated. Paul had 26 at bats there so I don't think anyone is going to judge him on that. We would have had a 3 hitter if Paul was moved there last year but then we wouldn't have had a clean up hitter. We were missing a middle of the order hitter last year and that it what Thome is no matter where he hits in the middle. Once again, Ozzie has said as recently as the playoffs that he likes splitting up the righties in the middle of his order. You're not thinking like Ozzie, he likes doing things in a traditional baseball sense when it comes to the righty-lefty stuff. There is a good chance, a very good chance that Thome hits 4th this year whether all of us agree with it or disagree with it.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 25, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) Thome: 963 career AB's batting third Konerko: 69 career AB's batting third Dye: 25 career AB's batting third I'm taking a real flier here -- Thome will be batting third. Did everyone miss when we had no true #3 hitter last season? ..and the difference is what from Paul and Thome flipping in the order?? Thome when healthy is a better slugger and a better obp guy, so if Paul hits 3rd Thome has more opportunities to hit the ball out of the park with a good obp guy in front of him. If Thome hits 3rd then he gets on base more for Paul to knock him in more. Now the difference between Aj and Jermaine is pretty big, JD is a much better hitter. Dye is going to hit 3 or 5 and with Ozzie loving to play the righty-lefty game there is a good chance Thome hits clean up.