Rex Hudler

You don't think down the stretch if it is close they will use a couple of guys on 3 days rest once or twice? Hell yeah, they will. Especially with the off days. I can see possibly 6 times needing a 5th starter depending on how they want to play it. But if they are in a race, they are going to throw their best guys out there. Hence the reason this whole argument started is that the Sox were the ones that were quoted that they would only use the 5th starter that many times. If the Sox build a lead, then sure, you let the 5th guy go more often. But if it stays close to the wire, look for them to run their big guns out there more often.

So why is it when the Sox say they will only need a 5th starter 5 times, you guys know better?? Do I have do go game by game and show you how this works??

I think the thing they don't realize is that even if we didn't make the Ritchie trade Fogg and Wells would still have been traded. They would have probaly been the players involved in a trade for Colon. Sorry Joel, but using that logic is like throwing darts blindfolded. There is no way you can say with any validity that would have happened. No one has a clue what would have happened last year had that trade not happened.

I'll talk all of that with a grain of salt. Sometimes a change of scenery is all a guy needs. Also, it doesn't matter what Scott Boras wants, Schoeneweis is arbitration eligible next year, not eligible for free agency so he will be here unless he gets traded or outright released, which I don't see happening. I have another friend that is a big Angels fan and he feels that Scott got a raw deal in Anaheim and that Sox will like what they get. Time will tell, I guess.

I figured 5 times without any starters going on short rest or 4 times if one of the starters goes on three days rest only once. Aug. 12, 17, 22, Sept. 9 or 13 (depending on how they set the rotation) and a date in late September. All of the other dates can be filled by the four starters with their normal rest. Work with us here UNS.

My pleasure, LDF. I'm off to bed.....

I read the same thing somewhere today, but I think St. Louis was also going to end up with a prospect from somewhere. Can't recall for sure.

W- L- S ERA GP IP H AB AVG TBF R ER HR BB SO WP BK TOTALS 7- 6- 2 3.62 23 97.0 87 358 .243 403 40 39 8 28 79 6 2 Yofu's numbers.... Solid, yet not spetacular. He really should be in AAA right now.

Yes, Yofu is now a starter and has been for awhile. He has pitched well overall, with a few so-so games mixed in. He never gets shelled, but he did get hit pretty hard his last outing. I think Yofu could be a solid middle inning reliever in the Majors, but due to his age, his window of opportunity will be very short. I just see Munoz as a setup guy because of a lack of a blazing fastball that most closers have and based on the fact that he has never been used that way on a regular basis. I wouldn't rule it out for him eventually, but that is not where he will start his MLB career.

Its funny. It wasn't more than a few years ago that HS pitchers were in demand because college coaches were being accused of abusing pitchers and college pitchers were breaking down more often. Times have changed quickly, haven't they?

Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm? oopps i meant munoz and then i saw your post after. how bout both. can strumm be a starter? I'm not sure what the Sox plans are for Stumm and I have never seen him pitch. I can only go by what others have told me. He may stay in the pen, but it would not surprise me to see them try to strech him out next year if he is completely healthy. One thing is for certain about next year...... if he is to be a legit prospect, he will have to have thrown more than 19.2 innings at this point of the year. My guess is that Munoz is best suited as a reliever, more specifically a setup guy. He has never been stretched out to be tried as a starter, so it is hard to say. Last year in Birmingham, he went 3 or 4 innings a few times and held his own quite well. But that is different than being put on a throwing program of a starter. I certainly think he can get to the Majors quicker as a reliever and it seems strange that you would try to make a guy a starter in AAA. I'll chalk this one up to someone thinking aloud and bet that he will remain a reliever.

I'm not sure what the numbers are for college pitchers, so it is hard to compare. The number was told to me by someone that I believe, believes it to be true. But as with anything that is passed on by word of mouth, it could be off some.

Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm?

Hate to say it Murcie, but you off on Stumm on two accounts... First, he was a 1st round pick in 1999 (15th overall) Second, he has been outstanding at Winston-Salem this year. They have been very cautious with him and he has only pitched two full innings twice. He has only had one bad outing (his most recent) and he has only given up runs in four of his 17 outings. He gave up 5 runs in his last outing, taking his ERA from 1.89 to 4.12. This is another situation where looking into a player's numbers can give you a different outlook than just by looking at the numbers alone. The Sox are being very careful to protect their investment with him. I have heard reports that he is the real deal and the only question about him is whether he can stay healthy. It is not out of the question the Sox make him a starter again, after a complete healthy season. Yes, Stumm has had setbacks early on, but the door is far from closed with him. Yeah LDF pointed out him being a 1st rounder....... earlier. And eventhough his ERA has been inflated by 1 bad outing.... I still dont see him becoming a starter again....he has shown that even with a small load of work... he gets injured. I think he can be a solid reliever... but starting just doesnt seem possible to me. I'm not saying he will become a starter, but the injuries he has incurred, had nothing to do with too heavy a workload. They were freak injuries to a young pitcher with a great pitcher's body and an incredible arm. They say that now almost 70% of high school drafted pitchers end up having surgery before they reach the Majors. So this is not that uncommon, just unfortunately, he had two surgeries.

he is overworked and needed a place to pitch. i think it is a shoo in that munoz is going to make it, it is a question of time. Munoz is fine. His numbers since April 15 are 3-2 with 3 saves and a 4.04 ERA. He's given up 31 hits in 35.2 innings and has walked 18 while striking out 39. The guy just turned 21 last month. Don't let 3 bad outings in the first 2 weeks of the season cloud what he has accomplished.

Hate to say it Murcie, but you off on Stumm on two accounts... First, he was a 1st round pick in 1999 (15th overall) Second, he has been outstanding at Winston-Salem this year. They have been very cautious with him and he has only pitched two full innings twice. He has only had one bad outing (his most recent) and he has only given up runs in four of his 17 outings. He gave up 5 runs in his last outing, taking his ERA from 1.89 to 4.12. This is another situation where looking into a player's numbers can give you a different outlook than just by looking at the numbers alone. The Sox are being very careful to protect their investment with him. I have heard reports that he is the real deal and the only question about him is whether he can stay healthy. It is not out of the question the Sox make him a starter again, after a complete healthy season. Yes, Stumm has had setbacks early on, but the door is far from closed with him.

I missed that when I posted the boxscore...... Strange that they would throw him an inning after throwing 7 on Saturday. Guess that would be considered his side day. But you can also read into it that they are trying to get him ready to start saturday. Good catch.

Yes, but I think that is to be expected... Look at Orionny Lopez..... he's kicking ass

Winston and Kannapolis both rained out....... Bristol wins 2-1....... Sweeney back in the lineup. BRISTOL 2 AT DANVILLE 1 YTD YTD BRISTOL AB R H BI AVG DANVILLE AB R H BI AVG C.Young CF 3 0 0 0 .320 M.Hanson DH 3 0 0 0 .305 F.Lebron 2B 3 1 2 1 .250 J.Burrus LF 2 0 0 0 .247 R.Sweeney DH 3 0 1 1 .314 B.Thomas 3B 3 0 2 0 .239 S.Martin PH 1 0 0 0 .164 M.Esquivel CF 3 1 1 1 .310 M.Perez 3B 4 0 2 0 .309 S.Schade 1B 3 0 0 0 .248 R.Valido SS 3 0 0 0 .272 D.Partridge RF 3 0 1 0 .190 C.Castillo CAT 3 0 0 0 .211 D.White SS 3 0 1 0 .252 M.Bohlander 1B 3 0 0 0 .232 S.Pyzik CAT 3 0 0 0 .218 M.Rodriguez LF 3 0 0 0 .171 W.James 2B 2 0 1 0 .123 J.Rivera RF 3 1 1 0 .217 S.White PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Marshall PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Blackmon PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 O.Lopez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Mead PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 29 2 6 2 TOTALS 25 1 6 1 BRISTOL 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0- 2 6 0 DANVILLE 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 X- 1 6 0 DP--BRISTOL 0, DANVILLE 0. LOB--BRISTOL 5, DANVILLE 4. 2B--F.Lebron 2 (6). HR--M.Esquivel (6). SB--F.Lebron (10). CS--F.Lebron, B.Thomas, W.James. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BRISTOL J.Marshall 3.2 6 1 1 1 4 1 3.86 O.Lopez (W,5-0) 3.1 0 0 0 0 5 0 0.57 DANVILLE S.White (L,0-3) 5.0 5 2 2 1 5 0 5.55 C.Blackmon 2.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 2.95 D.Mead 1.0 0 0 0 1 1 0 9.35 WP--D.Mead. SO--C.Young, M.Perez, R.Valido, C.Castillo 2, M.Bohlander 2, M.Rodriguez, M.Hanson 3, J.Burrus, M.Esquivel 2, S.Schade, D.White, W.James. BB--C.Young, F.Lebron, J.Burrus. T--2:25. A--907

Just .319, so you can't say he is on a tear, by any means. But if he can get more consistent, then that is a step in the right direction.

Huge night for Reed with 2 HR's...... Pacheco now 9-2. Like Cotts last night, he was cruising until his last inning and then the wheels fell off..... BIRMINGHAM (7) AT MOBILE (6) BIRMINGHAM AB R H BI MOBILE AB R H BI C Durham CF 4 1 1 0 F Guzman CF 5 0 1 0 J Piniella LF 2 2 0 0 T Donovan LF 3 1 0 0 J Reed RF 4 2 3 6 R Washington DH 5 1 2 1 C Maldonado C 4 0 0 0 J Knott 1B 4 2 0 0 S Bikowski DH 4 0 1 0 B Scales 3B 3 1 2 3 C Saunders 1B 3 1 0 0 D Bravo SS 4 0 1 0 G Reyes SS 4 1 2 0 J Gautreau 2B 3 0 0 1 J Shaffer 3B 3 0 1 0 H Quintero C 3 1 1 1 T Nicholson 3B 0 0 0 0 V Faison RF 4 0 1 0 D Sandoval 2B 3 0 0 1 TOTALS 31 7 8 7 TOTALS 34 6 8 6 BIRMINGHAM 002 500 000 -- 7 MOBILE 000 200 400 -- 6 E--J Shaffer, D Sandoval. DP--BIRMINGHAM 1, MOBILE 1. LOB--BIRMINGHAM 6, MOBILE 7. 2B--G Reyes, R Washington, B Scales. HR--J Reed 2 (6) (off C Stewart). SB--F Guzman 1 (14). S--J Piniella, J Shaffer. SF--D Sandoval, H Quintero, J Gautreau. IP H R ER BB SO HR BIRMINGHAM E Pacheco (W,9-2) 6 2-3 6 6 4 3 3 0 M Smith 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 J Bullard 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 J Bajenaru (S,6) 1-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 MOBILE C Stewart (L,10-6) 3 2-3 5 7 7 5 4 2 M Bumstead 2 1-3 1 0 0 0 3 0 R Deago 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 R Spiehs 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 HBP--J Knott by E Pacheco. SO--BIR: C Saunders 2, J Piniella 2, S Bikowski 2, J Shaffer, C Durham. MOB: J Knott 2, R Washington, V Faison, H Quintero, T Donovan. BB--BIR: J Piniella 2, C Saunders, C Maldonado, C Durham, J Reed. MOB: T Donovan 2, B Scales. T--2:51. A--2,639.

Great start for Adkins..... Borchard with a HR (he's now hit in 11 of h is last 12 games) CHARLOTTE (5) AT COLUMBUS (2) CHARLOTTE AB R H BI COLUMBUS AB R H BI A Miles 2B 4 1 2 0 C Pride LF 4 0 0 0 T Hummel 3B 3 1 0 0 C Wilson 2B 4 0 0 0 R Gload 1B 3 1 0 0 B Smith DH 4 0 0 0 J Borchard CF 4 1 1 1 F Seguignol 1B 4 1 2 1 M Rivera C 4 0 0 0 J Rivera RF 4 1 1 0 A Rios DH 3 1 0 1 E Almonte SS 4 0 0 0 S Morgan RF 4 0 2 3 D Henson 3B 3 0 2 0 N Murphy LF 4 0 0 0 J Rodriguez CF 3 0 1 1 J Nunez SS 3 0 0 0 M Hernandez C 3 0 0 0 TOTALS 32 5 5 5 TOTALS 33 2 6 2 CHARLOTTE 000 401 000 -- 5 COLUMBUS 000 010 001 -- 2 E--A Graman, E Almonte, D Henson. DP--COLUMBUS 1. LOB--CHARLOTTE 3, COLUMBUS 4. 2B--S Morgan. HR--J Borchard 1 (10) (off A Graman), F Seguignol 1 (19) (off M Porzio). S--T Hummel, R Gload. IP H R ER BB SO HR CHARLOTTE J Adkins (W,7-6) 7 5 1 1 0 10 0 D Wright 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 M Porzio 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 COLUMBUS A Graman (L,8-8) 6 2-3 5 5 1 1 0 1 R Choate 1 1-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 S Marsonek 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 SO--CHA: N Murphy, R Gload. COL: C Pride 3, B Smith 3, J Rivera, C Wilson, D Henson, M Hernandez, E Almonte. BB--CHA: A Rios. T--2:28.

Yep. Reed was 3-4 with a walk, 2 HR and 6 RBI...... here's the box... BIRMINGHAM (7) AT MOBILE (6) BIRMINGHAM AB R H BI MOBILE AB R H BI C Durham CF 4 1 1 0 F Guzman CF 5 0 1 0 J Piniella LF 2 2 0 0 T Donovan LF 3 1 0 0 J Reed RF 4 2 3 6 R Washington DH 5 1 2 1 C Maldonado C 4 0 0 0 J Knott 1B 4 2 0 0 S Bikowski DH 4 0 1 0 B Scales 3B 3 1 2 3 C Saunders 1B 3 1 0 0 D Bravo SS 4 0 1 0 G Reyes SS 4 1 2 0 J Gautreau 2B 3 0 0 1 J Shaffer 3B 3 0 1 0 H Quintero C 3 1 1 1 T Nicholson 3B 0 0 0 0 V Faison RF 4 0 1 0 D Sandoval 2B 3 0 0 1 TOTALS 31 7 8 7 TOTALS 34 6 8 6 BIRMINGHAM 002 500 000 -- 7 MOBILE 000 200 400 -- 6 E--J Shaffer, D Sandoval. DP--BIRMINGHAM 1, MOBILE 1. LOB--BIRMINGHAM 6, MOBILE 7. 2B--G Reyes, R Washington, B Scales. HR--J Reed 2 (6) (off C Stewart). SB--F Guzman 1 (14). S--J Piniella, J Shaffer. SF--D Sandoval, H Quintero, J Gautreau. IP H R ER BB SO HR BIRMINGHAM E Pacheco (W,9-2) 6 2-3 6 6 4 3 3 0 M Smith 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 J Bullard 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 J Bajenaru (S,6) 1-3 0 0 0 0 1 0 MOBILE C Stewart (L,10-6) 3 2-3 5 7 7 5 4 2 M Bumstead 2 1-3 1 0 0 0 3 0 R Deago 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 R Spiehs 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 HBP--J Knott by E Pacheco. SO--BIR: C Saunders 2, J Piniella 2, S Bikowski 2, J Shaffer, C Durham. MOB: J Knott 2, R Washington, V Faison, H Quintero, T Donovan. BB--BIR: J Piniella 2, C Saunders, C Maldonado, C Durham, J Reed. MOB: T Donovan 2, B Scales. T--2:51. A--2,639.

Not sure yet. Only caught bits and pieces of the broadcast. I do know that they score two runs in the 3rd inning (which was his first HR), so it is definitely possible. I do know that he drew a walk in the 7th inning too. Sorry I didn't catch more of it.

Word is he will not be the 5th starter.. Still a chance Cotts could be the man.