SleepyWhiteSox

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 29, 2005 -> 01:27 AM) I really, really, really, really, really wish I could go to the game on Monday unfortunately I got some dumb family dinner so I have to settle for Tuesday, can't wait to see Frank back in the lineup. loser j/k Damn, I'm just excited to see Frank. No need to take your time to adjust, Big Hurt. Just get in there and do what you're capable of...

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 28, 2005 -> 11:07 PM) As for the Brand/Tyson/Ratliff/Wallace comparisons, I don't think it works at all. Wallace and Brand both are on another level. Brand is basically Eddy Curry, only he can rebound and block shots. He might not be an elite defensive player, but he is definitely better than average. The Bulls would be an entirely different team if he were still here. He's an elite post scoring option, which would drastically improve the Bull's consistency in offensive production without hurting the defense all that much, if at all. There's no way I take Ratliff over him. Ratliff has never been an elite rebounder (the guy has never hit double figures despite playing 30+ minutes virtually his whole career) and is about Ben Wallace's equal on offense. Basically he blocks a few shots and takes up space. If he really had that much of an impact on his team he wouldn't be on team #4. As for Tyson, he might eventually be an elite option, but he's not even close yet. He's a solid defender and rebounder when he's healthy and on his game. Unfortunately we never know when that is. He doesn't always play the way he should and gets beat by guys he shouldn't on the defensive end way too often. Also, his offensive game, or lack thereof, is absolutely depressing. He has no shooting ability and no post moves. Basically the only way he scores is off a rebound or on a dunk from a nice pass. He drastically needs to improve in that area. Given the choice between an inconsistent 22 year old get that has had some injury problems and a 26 year old All-star that has put up around 20 points and 10 rebounds his whole career and more than 2 blocks per game the last four years, it's a no brainer. Take a look at all of the teams left in the playoffs. I'd say only two of them play well above average defense, while all of them have at least one player averaging close to 20 points per game and at least two other players that can get there on an above average but not stellar night. I can't say that about the Bulls. Even assuming Curry is gone/done, replace Tyson with Brand and the Bulls would still have above average defense and at least 3 consistent scoring options in Brand, Hinrich, and Gordon, with Deng doing fairly well also. Good post. It's nice to see that there are people who can see how ridiculous some of those comments were. I was starting to worry that everyone was agreeing with that bulls***. But...but...but...defense! theo has awesome blocks per 48 min.!!! Look past how he sucks at everything else! Role players are a million times more valuable than stars! defense!!! :headshake

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 29, 2005 -> 12:42 AM) That would make sense. The Reds aren't going anywhere and appear to be in sell / salary-dumping mode. Send them Cruddy and a prospect or two for Randa and we can all be happy. "Happy" White Sox fans. Do they exist?

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 28, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) What I'm saying is that he's a beast when it comes to altering and blocking shots. He could lead the league in rebounding. If you think that teams are scared of Brand when they're putting together their offensive game plans, then you're just not cut out to contribute to a basketball discussion. Those are telling statistics. We've established time and time again that you're blinded by scoring numbers. I know that you're gonna tell me it ain't the same thing, but think about it for a minute. How do you build in any sport? It's just a shame that it doesn't really work out that way in the vast majority of cases. Theo Ratliff and Ben Wallace will never score, so the f*** what? Anybody who knows their s*** takes them over Elton Brand every single time. Unless, of course, your philosophy is stooopid. I told you that Brand's numbers are just as good as Tyson's on defense and EXTREMELY BETTER on offense. But you know what? I'll admit it, I was wrong. Brand actually averages MORE BLOCKS than tyson. Tyson was only one spot ahead of Brand in rebounds. How the hell are you gonna argue against pure numbers??? Stop with the bulls*** that I only focus on offense because blocks and rebounds are more related to defense. You act as if tyson is this defensive force, but he really isn't. You're going by what he's CAPABLE of, but he sure as hell hasn't performed at an elite level. Brand has. He's played at an All-star level. CHECK THE NUMBERS. And please, don't give me the per 48 min. argument. Anybody in their right mind knows that players don't get their minutes for a reason. If you're not good enough, you don't get the minutes. It's just that easy. Brand would be averaging about the same minutes if he was still in Chicago. He's a complete player, and he and Kirk would be the closest to complete players averaging starter minutes on this team... Just answer this question for me. Who is more consistent, Brand or Chandler? You say that teams don't worry about Brand when they come up with an offensive plan as if they do with tyson. He isn't even on the court much, and he has a tendency of disappearing. He takes himself out of games by getting in foul trouble. PLEASE WATCH TAPES OF THE WIZARDS SERIES. Tell me that tyson showed up. I sure as hell didn't see the Wizards too worried about him. He got MANHANDLED by below-average post-men. I stand by my word that you're nuts to say you would want tyson over Brand, and you're idiotic if you would take theo f***in' ratliff over Brand. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, and not just basketball-related... Brand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tyson

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 28, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) 19 pages? 19 f***ing pages? Slow day.

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 28, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) Wasn't Isiah on the Pistons for close to 10 years before they won a championship? He had a huge impact, of course, but who was the most important player for Detroit? I don't care about the vastly superior offense. Like I said, give me a 7 footer who's gonna manhandle dudes down low. Check this guy out, he's only 22 years old. Take a look at his rebounds and blocks per minute when you get a chance. Recognize what you have on your own f***ing team, dude. You seriously made me laugh out loud when you said he "manhandles dudes down low." He's too skinny to do so. Are we watching the same games??? Watch the Wizards series. You'll see him getting "manhandled" by below average players. I like Tyson and want him to succeed because he's on the Bulls. I'm not as negative about Tyson as you are about Eddy. Take your own advice because you never recognized what he's capable of, and he's also "on your team." Rebounds per minute and blocks per minute. Once again, Brand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tyson. That's not a knock on tyson, even though you're taking it that way. Brand is just that good. If you can't appreciate that, whether he's on your team or not, then I don't know what to tell you. Ask any knowledgeable person. I can't imagine very many people, outside of his immediate family members along with yourself, choosing tyson over Brand. I know you carry your "i luv defense" banner in every discussion. That's cool. But personally, I believe that a combination of offense and defense is much more important...

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 28, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) I like Brand a hell of a lot. He could be a legitimate starting PF on a championship squad. He's an all star, there's no question about it. However, it has been proven that superior defense out of the 4/5 is what puts rings on fingers in this league more often than not. Brand could never be the primary force on a championship squad, but Tyson can by just straight up manhandling motherf***ers down low. Let me ask you this. Who was the most important player on the late 80s/early 90s Detroit Pistons? I often wonder how the San Antonio Spurs didn't just kill everyone with Robinson and Rodman in 1994 and 1995. If they had a coach like Daly or Jackson, would they have mopped everyone in the playoffs? Dennis should have been the championship link from 89-90 and 94-98. Isaiah If you like Tyson over Brand, I don't even know what to tell you...I mean, they're rebounding and blocks are even and Brand is VASTLY superior on offense... Tyson doesn't even start. Tyson didn't show up for the playoffs. Brand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tyson

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 27, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) Yeah what kind of morons would want the best distributing PG in the draft when they already have a few scoring options? Morons I tell ya, morons Best distributing? Felton?

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ May 27, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) definitely a deep draft, so much talent is coming with chris taft as a second rounder most likely and boss a second rounder followed up by dee brown It looks deep because of unknown international players and unproven players/high schoolers taking up the middle of the first round and college names who were somewhat successful going late, as usual... Realistically, it's a weak draft. I don't see many players making much of an impact as rookies. The NBA is on a downhill and it would be great if they implemented an age limit...

QUOTE(fathom @ May 27, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) A question for everyone giving some of us a hard time about not exactly being upset that Prior got hurt........would you still feel the same way if Johan Santana got hurt? That reminds me about comments from the Pistons about Shaq being hurt. They wanted him to be as healthy as he can be. I think true competitors want to beat the best in order to be the best.

QUOTE(Steff @ May 27, 2005 -> 02:54 PM) LMAO.. I should post the email exchange with my boss... Boss: What happened? Me: Prior got hit hard! Boss: Pitching arm? Me: Ummm... I don't know.. it hit him on the right elbow. Shouldn't you be working?

So you could actually hear it? Is that correct? Did it hit bone? Sorry, just curious and I'm still at school...

Can this thread be deleted?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2005 -> 01:21 PM) Saids the Eddy Curry fan What's the implication? I was actually satisfied with Eddy as the 4th pick in 2001, but I absolutely HATED the Brand trade. People can argue all they want that Tyson is better than Eddy, but I will NEVER feel that he was worth trading Brand for. Did you want battier instead? I'm just saying, this upcoming draft looks horrible. If deron williams is a top 3 player...wow...

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 27, 2005 -> 12:52 PM) Yep, speculation has been that Atlanta likes him over Felton and Paul, and they only like Marvin Williams as much as Deron of anyone in the draft. What a horrible draft... There is just no way that atl can possibly be that stupid...

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 27, 2005 -> 03:01 AM) Somebody's got to take the blame. Ok. I'll go with everyone on the team who's hitting poorly.

That show is brutal. When that guy tried the Hawk home run call and looked awkward as hell doing it, especially after the silence that followed it, I felt like the bigger idiot for having watched that show for those few minutes...

I hope the implication isn't that we lost because of Ozzie or Contreras...

We need offense.

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What a classy guy.

People still watch fox sports? Summer...

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ May 26, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) I don't believe you. girls around vs. no girls around? No contest. There are pros and cons, of course... You originally stated that you could not imagine how it was. There are many people, especially here in Chicago, that went to Catholic high schools. I'm one of them. Would I have preferred girls in school? Sure. Was it hell without them? Nope. You're going to hang out with girls in your neighborhood and meet Catholic high school girls outside of school too... Damn, those Maria, Q of P, Four Floors of Lourdes, and Mac girls...