RockRaines

QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 12, 2008 -> 06:53 AM) Because I think we'd be doing to opposite of what we would need to do, get younger, faster, and hopefully better defensively. I don't see the point in trading Dye and signing Abreu to probably a 3 year contract worth around 30 million or more. I think Dye is a lot better, and I'd much rather keep Dye and use the money on a free agenct pitcher. Why do you say Dye is alot better exactly? He doesnt hit as well as Abreu, are you saying in the field?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 12, 2008 -> 09:20 AM) Mike Lowell, loser: The Red Sox third baseman was World Series MVP in 2007, and last season he played until his hip got so bad he no longer could walk and underwent surgery. Now, all he’s hearing is that he’ll be traded if the Red Sox sign Teixeira and move Kevin Youkilis to third. He’s a big boy and should understand it’s a business, but it still has to sting. www.yahoo.com/sports Wonder if KW makes a play for him (or the Twins) if the Red Sox do end up with Tex (assuming he turns down the Nationals)....? With Beltre adding the Twins to his list of "no trade" teams (maybe a bargaining ploy) and Blake off the table, that leaves the Twins looking at Crede, Atkins or Kouzmanoff still. Lowell is good BTW. But I think we are going to see if in house players can fill the void at 3B BTW, where is the market for Crede? I havent heard ANYTHING

Want to know who looked to have an extremely straight fastball when alot of us first saw him pitch: Gavin Floyd. And Bailey has MUCH better stuff than he does.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:12 PM) WSF101 saw the same Bailey starts for the Reds that I did. His stuff was extremely underwhelming in those games. What game was that again, and what season? What was the outcome, and what was he working on? QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:56 PM) I never said stats are meaningless. I said I wouldn't pass judgement on a players ability and project his future performance based on numbers alone. Also, he said that he saw him multiple times not just once. But if you want to make extreme arguement while calling me irrational, I would take someone seeing a player once in the minors over versus looking only at the numbers. If i had only those two choices. Heres why. By watching someones mechanics and how he carries himself I can get a better idea of his future projection. Looking at numbers I can't see his mechanics, confidence and projectability. He can go 0-4 and have hit the ball hard or see that he has the confidence to overcome the adversity. You don't see that in numbers. If I am going to make a judgement on a player I watch them multiple times and look at the numbers but lean more towards what I see. Well, I've seen several surgical procedures on TV, if your appendix ever burts dont go to the professionals, I have more than enough experience. One fan watching one start from a box seat down the line while eating nachos and drinking has probably 1 percent of the credibility of a scout that has been watching him since High School into the minors charting each pitch in each situation. Sorry about it, nobody on this board has much expertise on Homer Bailey's talent or potential. QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:55 PM) The fun thing about this board is that people will rip you for having an opinion because you are not a scout, but they'll also rip you if you don't have an opinion on something. Best of both worlds I guess. I know I am not a scout, but it doesn't take a scout to recognize there is a big problem when a guy who has a scouting report that says "overwhelming stuff" has a fastball with zero movement that can't get out of the low 90's (and is at times in the mid to high 80's) and has very flat breaking stuff. And again, I have seen 3 of his major league and 1 of his minor league starts in person since mid 2007, and his stuff was almost identical in all of them. I know you can't judge one start, but you can judge four IMO. Did you bring your gun? Where were your seats? How many pitches did you record? Was he healthy? Did you watch his bullpen session beforehand? Do you have the records of those starts? I would like to know if you even know what velocity Bailey was throwing his fastball those games you recall so vividly.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 05:57 PM) Yep, I was thinking today that a rotation with Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Dempster and Lilly, in what is shaping up to be an absolutely terrible NL Central, could likely lead to the Cubs being a 105-110 win team. They would easily win their division with that rotation even with the injuries to Harden and the regression of Dempster. You could get rid of ANYONE in your lineup for Peavy and still go to the playoffs. I would easily trade every prospect and ANY position player for Peavy. And If I was the Padres, I ask for Soto.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 04:13 PM) Yea, I was glad to hear this. The reason the Illini didn't want anyting to do with NIU the last few years is because the Illini were bad while NIU was having a lot of success. Both teams should be in good shape by 2010 though, can't wait. Really? I think that as a Big Ten team the Illini should pretty much own every other team in Illinois on the football field with the exception (sometimes) of Northwestern.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 05:56 PM) Yes we do need another starter. We will have one by Jan IMO.

If I was the Cubs, I would give the Padres anything they wanted for Peavy. He is arguably one of the top 3 arms in the NL.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:57 PM) Who would be PK's replacement? I don't think Abreu would be a fit then. We would probably get more for Dye unless the Angels lose out on Tex and they REALLY need a 1B. If you trade Paulie and not Dye then you sign Adam Dunn to play 1B.

Personally I'd rather trade Paulie than Dye, but either is fine. I hope Paulie gets his head out of his ass this upcoming season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) The Angels are in the market for relievers now that Frankie is gone and they won't be trading Shields. Plus Shields is on the downside of his career, imo, as the heavy innings and games pitched totals are starting to wear him out. They do have a good closer in waiting however. I dont see them really targeting any of our guys for the pen.

QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) hey rock,do you think w sox are intrested in abreu? Yup. Only if he is needed though.

But most likely wont. As much as many are going to throw around Figgins name over and over and over. KW prob asks for pitching first.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:10 AM) He would be, but mostly because he is a pretty clutch hitter. RISP career .316 .439 .531 2008 RISP .296 .372 .450 Dye RISP .259 .336 .428 2008 RISP .269 .304 .429 These are numbers with ALOT of at bats. This is something the team has missed, especially last season. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:25 AM) He has been, but Abreu is a better pure hitter than JD. Dye 05-.274 .333 .512 06-.315 .385 .622 07-.254 .317 .486 08-.292 .344 .541 Abreu 05-.286 .405 .474 06-.277 .427 .434 07-.283 .369 .445 08-.296 .371 .471 Abreu gives us more avg and better OBP, with more hits with RISP . Thats the way I personally want this lineup to look like instead of low avg, low OBP and high SLG. Posted earlier.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) Sounds like the NY news media trying to start something. Just how much would ABREU cost and what would be the reason we would wanht BABreu over JDye? I would rather have Jermaine. He is a better hitter and field player then Abreu IMO He may be better in the field, but is not a better hitter at all. He bring a little more power, thats about it. Abreu gets on base more, hits for a higher avg, and hits better with RISP and in the clutch. The reason to want Abreu over Dye is only in the case that Dye brings us pitching and we need to sign a corner OF'er. In that case Abreu+pitching is much more valuable than Dye, probably twice as valuable.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:04 PM) Let's keep this at least respectful. There is really no need to call someone f***ing trash. eh, its better to hear the reasoning behind the claim. I wish you would let us search member's posts again.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:03 PM) Why not Dunn? What do we want old Abreu when we have old Dye? Stupid. Dye is better. No, no he's not. Abreu is a much better hitter.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) From mlbtraderumors.com 2:38pm: Tim Brown and Gordon Edes talked to involved execs (not with the Angels) who believes the Boras camp is "using the media to ratchet up the price beyond what any team had actually offered." Brown and Edes say the Angels were told the Red Sox and Nationals offered eight years at about $20MM per. The Angels don't want to do an eighth year, so they'll look into trades for Jermaine Dye, Paul Konerko, and possibly Adrian Beltre. Raul Ibanez is the top free agent backup plan. Brown and Edes believe Boras could insist on an opt-out clause in a deal with the Nationals. Look at the comments about CC and SF. They never offered him anything, but actual numbers appeared in the media out of thin air.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) They aren't unqualified, I've seen the guy in person many times. If my statements end up wrong, they will just be wrong because I am wrong sometimes, as well we all are. My feelings on Bailey wouldn't be nearly as strong if I hadn't witnessed him pitch in person several times. When did you see him exactly, what game and what level?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:54 PM) Aren't you being hypocritical? If you can't tell a guy isn't going to live up to the hype after he's been bad, how can you tell he's a steal if he hasn't been good? Although if they spent the money saved on Abreu or Furcal I think it would be a steal as it would be those prospects for basically nothing. Huh? I assume you were saying he has been bad, when all i see is success through every minor league level while rushed and an injury plagued major league stint. The kid is 22 years old, and has all the talent in the world. Check out his minor league numbers. As a 20 year old in AA he went 7-1 with a 1.59 ERA. As a 21 year old in AAA he had a 3.07 ERA. The Reds needed to rush the kid to the majors because their pitching was terrible and they needed someone to help.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) Well of course "f***ing trash" is hyperbole, but Homer Bailey is not very good. It absolutely astonishes me that ANYBODY smart enough to be a White Sox fan would have positive thoughts about a potential deal like this one. Ah, so now we can determine how good a top prospect in the baseball world is by the time he is 22. Dye for Bailey+ 2 other prospects is an absolute steal for the White Sox.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) We are gonna lose bailey to another deal-while Rome burns & Nero (KW) fiddles It has happened to him before-for all the kudos he gets about making deals, he also has procrastinated himself out of players he has wanted in the past When has his lack of movement cost him a player? Give me an example.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) Jesse Rogers just vehemently shot down the Abreu rumors on the Score. Guesses Dye won’t go. Right in the timeframe I said earlier.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:31 PM) Bears Defense or Colts Defense. Which 3 receiver out of the core Bryant Welker Evans Jennings Mason Colts, because the bears defense will prob give up TONS of passing yards tonight

QUOTE (striker62704 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:23 PM) I not sure why everyone hates Owens. I'm sure he can bat better than Swisher did last year .219/.332. I'm fine with him and Anderson duking it out for CF and the 9th spot in the lineup next year. If not then we might as well trade them. At this point in his career, I think BA can hit at least .260 and have an OBP of somewhere around .320-.330 which is fine for me with his defense and hitting 9th.