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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:18 AM) I could have understood the trade if no money was involved. You think compensation is going away and all indications were that it was. You're not going to win anything that year anyway..... But if you are going to pretty much pay him anyway, you would think you could do better than Jon Adkins. Ray was a pretty good ballplayer at the time, having a big year. It was a terrible trade when it went down, and even worse when we realized Adkins was using something that was giving him extra MPH on his fastball. Of course I also think that the scouts that we employed those years were absolute trash.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:43 AM) I missed quoting the post, but whoever said I'd be happy if the deal is done, and happy if it wasn't was spot on. We would be a better team for 2010 and beyond for sure, maybe even 2009 depending on how Bailey bounced back. I would hate to see JD go as he has been a 100% class act his whole time here. He has gone about his business as an absolute professional no matter what. This team will be better in some areas for 2009, but KW is obviously planning a refresh of talent, which is the right direction for this club. Also this deal isnt a 1 for 1, it most definately includes other players from their side.

I'm sorry, but we clearly won the Garland trade.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 10:18 PM) Nix is already 26. He needs to put it together now if he ever wants a shot to be a regular. At this point, Lillibridge and Getz need major league AB's. Getting AB's in AAA isn't really benefiting either player at this point. Getz will start and hold the position. The kid can hit. He's a twins-type hitter.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) Yep, what do people expect to actually read in an article like this. KW might have quickly responded to this due to his negotiations with other parties. "Hey I heard you got Bailey, wanna talk about him?" Hey, go call the trib and deny that story.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Shot down. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7672373.story I dont agree. I think it confirms that the Sox are getting one more player besides Bailey and that the Sox are picking up some of Dye's contract.

I would have taken Bailey for Dye in a 1 to 1 last season, not so sure this season. And I dont think this is a done deal right now. Just a hunch. But I wouldnt be surprised to see us give the Reds cash and also get another low spect or someone else.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:41 PM) yes...that's all we have at this point i sent e-mails to rogers and gonzales hoping the Trib will start digging into the story, cowley's worthless Cowley is extremely worthless and so is WSI for whoever read that tidbit. Be patient, more info will come out.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:30 PM) any names or just a hunch? Hunch at this point.

QUOTE (tommy @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:29 PM) C AJP 1B Paulie 2B Getz 3B Fields/Viciedo SS Alexei LF HOLE CF HOLE RF Quentin DH Thome Rotation: Buehrle Danks Floyd Bailey CR/AP Getz is the starting 2B as of today.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) My totally inaccurate and spur-of-the-moment Sox starting lineup for 2009 is: 1- Furcal SS 2- Ramirez 2B 3- Quentin LF 4- Thome DH 5- Konerko 1B 6- Abreu RF 7- Fields 3B 8- AJP C 9- Taveras CF 1. Buehrle 2. Floyd 3. Danks 4. Bailey 5. Marquez/Richard

I think the Sox sent money to cincy to grab another player in this deal.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:26 PM) I am with you completely, I will miss JD, but our rotation is starting to look incredibly good for many years to come. Want to know how you can get around signing FA pitchers to more than 3 year contracts (which this org WONT do)? You get them when they are young and for lower cost.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) Even though I'd have to say this is some of the best baseball conversation we've had on this board, everything said in this could be mute if OC doesn't decline within the next 150 minutes. Moot? But also very true.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Agreed...everyone needs to remember that Ozzie and Abreu are great friends. So you can say that Abreu could probably be signed for Dye-type money, while he just bypassed the FA pitching market by trading Dye for a young, long-term arm.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:22 PM) Yep, with KW making all of these trades for potential 4/5 starters in 2009, he can't then go out and sign a 10 million dollar a year pitcher also. Right. He is going to use the money in one spot, and that is now either an OF'er or a lead off guy, or both.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) Abreu would be a much better pick-up but the best pick-up would be Adam Dunn. A 3 to 4 year deal with him sliding into Thome's DH spot a year from now. The best part is you might just be able to get him to agree to a 4yr 32M deal with some incentives (given the current market conditions). Kenny has been trading our all or nothing OF'ers, I dont see him going after another one at this point.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) I was thinking that I'd be satisfied if the Sox ended up getting two of these three: Furcal, Lowe, and Dunn. Even if it's not those guys specifically, I'd hope it would be a proven major league player at those respective positions (Starter, LF/RF, and 2B/SS). I think its safe to say that KW isnt after a FA pitcher. He was going to fill the lead off/OF/Pitching roles with trades or FA signings. With Bailey probably slotted for the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation I think its a pretty solid guess that any FA is going to be a corner OF'er or a leadoff man.

Reds board reaction: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread....2879&page=4

1 year of Dye for the former #1 prospect in baseball who is still young isnt a bad deal. I also dont think this is a 1 for 1 deal at all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) If this trade was 1 for 1 and the Sox don't spend any of the savings, its a horrible trade, but there is no way that money won't be spent. Even with the payroll decrease, we have saved so much money with these trades that it should be pretty obvious that we are shopping for some FA's.....Of course we also have a glut of talented spects that can be traded and payroll can be taken on as well.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:10 PM) I hope its true Rock...have anything more on this deal? Been hungover all day, digging now. I know that there has been alot of discussion around some FA's, which makes more sense now considering this info. I personally thought this deal was dead.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:06 PM) Would of rather have shipped Thome or Kong somewhere. Right, of course they arent worth half of what Dye is. And I like that many people are saying they wont go to games next year, I like it when there are less yahoo's at the park. The Sox are going after some FA's as we speak. I am not too worried, I like this building on young pitching philosophy.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) other than the title game, these BCS bowls are weak. OSU/Texas in the Fiesta. Been there, done that. I guess this can be the rubber match... Alabama/Utah. Yawn USC/Penn State see last year's Rose Bowl Cincy/VT. another yawner. Hopefully the Big East loses so I can hate on that conference even more. The best bowls will be the "second tier" ones as usual. I mean, you could take those bowls above and make better ones (on paper) Texas v Alabama OSU V Utah would be better matchups.

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 06:56 PM) I'll get my little b****ing out of the way. Texas Tech, 11-1 with wins over #3 Texas, #14 Oklahoma State, Kansas, Nebraska, etc and the only loss being @ the number 1 team in the nation. So it leads to being ranked 7th in the BCS. Its pretty stupid.