RockRaines

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 05:27 PM) I fmy wife ever gets her way and we move to Iowa, XM here i come! I need my WHite Sox baseball! You also get other games too and can listen to several great broadcasters around the country. It really is great. Plus there is a baseball talk station that talks baseball around the clock. Perfect for the freaks on this site!!

We deal contreras.

Michael Robinson will not play one NFL game at QB.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 04:55 PM) Dude, Texas traded Soriano to the Nats weeks ago. damn, beat me to it.

Q, I only have them via PPT.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) Being lazy... you have the links? let me find them you lazy bastard

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) Is there some means by which I can start taking bets on how long it will be before a thread is closed? im in

Look at the size of his damn guest house. Jesus. I saw pics of his other house in FLA and his views were amazing, I can only imagine this one.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 02:55 PM) There's no NFL or NCAA hoops on XM! MLB baseball Big Ten Football Better Quality Done and Done and Im a sirius stockholder.

This is your first quote Then you made this statement Now you say this Who really needs the IQ test there buddy. Im done with you, go back to SOSH

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) you, nor rock, have successfully used a quote of mine against me. as a side note: people should be forced to take iq tests before being eligible to post. Whoa whoa whoa. Dont go calling us dumb because you changed your argument. I quoted you above saying that Crisp would be a perennial all star at the lead off position. Now are are saying that you never said that. That is effectively disproving you with your own statements.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) now this is where we can start arguing. if a player is an above average defensive centerfielder, and ranks fourth among major league centerfielders offensively in all of the major leagues, that doesn't qualify him as being a "top centerfielder?" i mean, with all due respect (not to ssh, but you) many people here have been calling joe crede a "top third baseman" and he was statistically one of the worst? You just proved my point. Joe Crede is a good defensive 3B, offensively, he is not close. That is the same situation with crisp. You keep changing your tune, he is better defensively, offensively, lead off, not lead off. This was your position: All star lead off hitter: He is garbage batting lead off Defensively superior in Cf: Not really, he isnt even top ten in the AL, good in LF, bad in CF Offensively gifted for a CF'er: This you are correct about, he would rank about 4th for CF'ers in the AL, but not in both leagues.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:46 PM) the only thing i mentioned with the words 'leading off' and 'coco crisp' in it was that he should bat second with loretta leading off. next... Oh but what about when you said that??? You said all star lead off man. Doesnt that mean he would be leading off?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:45 PM) both. usually when somebody says a top insert position here they mean that that player would be tops at his position in any and all forms. do you agree or disagree that coco crisp will be a top centerfielder or if he stays in cleveland, a top left fielder, in the years to come? well defensively he isnt even top ten in the AL. So no he wouldnt be. Offensively, based on this year, he would be about 4th for Cf'ers. if he stayed in LF in cleveland, defensively he would be top three, offensively, no.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:41 PM) coco crisps .810 ops would be good for second highest in the american league amonst centerfielders. you're over analyzing, and along with ssh trying to argue something that is nothing. if you think coco crisp wouldnt be a top centerfielder, then by all means think that. Offensively or defensively, clarify please.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 06:22 PM) coco crisp was rated the best defensive left fielder in the game last season according to hardball times metrics, and his statistics translated to the centerfield position show just how good this youngster is. not only is he the best player involved in this trade, with the way his offseason training regimen is going, he might be one of the upincoming perennial all-stars in this league at the leadoff position. again though, as i've been saying all along, there is no deal as of right now, and nothing is done until it is done. Maybe this is why I thought you were talking about defensive stats. oh and he has been garbage in the lead off spot over the last three years. .271 .312 .369 .681 Not exactly perennial all stars resume.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 09:21 AM) defensive ability in centerfield: crisp>damon please, pal, enough. I guess this is what made me think that you meant defensive ability. Or when you used translated stats to say he is top of the line. using translated stats usually means comparing positions. But I should have just assumed you meant whatever point is easier to make for you.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:31 PM) you were the one who assumed that i was referring to defensive ability, and this isn't an argument. coco crisp is a top of the line centerfielder, no ifs ands or buts about it. period. end of story. capiche? Well I thought I proved he wasnt when I listed his defensive stats and he wasnt really top ten in the AL in CF. Or when we compared their offensive numbers he wasnt top three in the AL. But I guess you are the law above and beyond what happens during actual play.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) i have seen enough of johnny damon in centerfield to know who i'd rather want manning the position at fenway, and that person is coco crisp. i'm not doing any such thing, by the way, but continue putting words in my mouth. its what i expect of you. Well, would it be ok for us to compare their numbers defensively in CF to see who is better? Or are we just going on your gut feeling as proof?

Oh and those offensive numbers you posted. Crisp would still be behind Damon, DeJesus, and Sizemore.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) if there was no grady sizemore, and crisp would have played centerfield, the position he's played a good portion of his entire career, crisps 300-345-465 season last year in left would translate into being one of the most productive centerfielders in baseball. there is no reason to pick apart what i said, especially in this instance. also, im not going to get into silly arguments about coco crisp and scott podsednik because they aren't very similar players nor do i care about proving something so irrelvant. Ummm now you are changing the argument to offense? I thought we were talking about defensive ability? And defensively, PODS and Crisp are about as similar as it gets statistically.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:01 PM) What have they done? Won? MB was (is) the best starter on the best starting staff in MLB. Well Johan Santana DID win a Cy Young.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 12:30 AM) his season last year, translated into the centerfield position, would have netted him as the best centerfielder in the american league. Here is where you said that. Well considering I put up his stats in CF last year and they werent even in the top ten in the AL. As well as his stats in CF from 2004. On top of that, his stats in LF are the same as PODS, which means that you would think PODS would also be the best CF in the AL.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) Loaiza was that year. so let me get this argument right - you're saying the best pitcher on the best team in baseball isn't an ace? Does that make any sense? Thats sort of a weak argument. Just because our players are on the best team, doesnt mean they are studs at every position. Mark is a great pitcher. Has he really reached ACE status yet? Not quite. If he was truly our Ace, there is no way that Contreras would have started ahead of him in the playoffs, hot hand or not. You bring your ACE to the table. Technically we dont have an ACE, which actually makes us better.

Meh, already have portable XM. Sirius is the red headed step child of XM.