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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) By this logic, every police action is justified by default. Reporting on police abuse and overreaction? The police can just tell you to "move along, nothing to see here" and then gas you with impunity. Thats a hell of a jump. If I am walking through an area where there are riots and I dont listen to multiple warnings about gassing and then get gassed, then it would be more accurate to the scenario.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) This assumes that their demands and warnings, if they had happened, were legitimate in the first place. Either way, the best defense that the police managed to mount in that case was that "it wasn't us! we don't know who fired it! either way, it definitely wasn't intentional!" http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/...r-gas/14042747/ There wasn't anything going on in the area and the police haven't even tried to justify their actions in that case. They've been arresting journalists and protesters, detaining them overnight without any charges. They've dispersed peaceful crowds with tear gas and sound cannons. They've had dozens of deadly weapons pointed at unarmed civilians. Like I said, this isn't even controversial. The state police were brought in because of the overreaction during the first week. What's a legitimate warning? You need to move to another area-yes sir. Since when is listening to police about moving optional?

QUOTE (Boogua @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) Oh, I completely agree. I just didn't think there would be that many undefeated teams. It gets interesting if MSU beats Oregon early on and then loses in heartbreak fashion to Wisconsin or OSU as their one loss. Would a one loss Oregon team get over a one loss MSU team in that case? I doubt it happens, obviously. Probably because the loss to MSU is probably better than a Big Ten loss in people's eyes.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:40 PM) 3 undefeated teams? How often does that happen? I'm saying in that scenario those are all a given. A one loss SEC or Pac 12 team probably also trumps a one loss Big Ten team unless the Big Ten loss is in conference.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) Yes, they absolutely did just that, just like when they arrested journalists for being in a McDonalds and slammed them into the pop machine on the way out the door. I mean, this isn't even controversial at this point. The ridiculous overreaction is exactly why state police were brought in, because the county SWAT assholes had no idea what they were doing. edit: here is video of the al jazeera incident. notice the wanna be rambo in the background pointing his M4 down the street at the journalists who ran back from the tear gas. http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/14/14042891/ LOL, the video starts at the firing of the gas, most likely after many warnings were given to clear the area. Once again there is no way they fired gas without warning.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:13 PM) I don't know why you keep depicting the situation as that. Maybe that has happened in some cases, but there's already a bunch of incidents of police arresting or gassing or assaulting journalists and non-violent protesters who are nowhere near a violent crowd. so they never told the people to move for a legit reason, they just pulled up to a crowd and gassed people? LOL, come on.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) When I said what kind of grip, I meant the way you grip the club with your hands...not the type of grips physically on your club. Sorry for the confusion. Like I was saying a few days ago with Rock...it's certainly very tough to diagnose from descriptions...especially since most golfers don't really know what they are doing anyways... As for clubs...you certainly don't need to drop thousands...if you do intend on getting "serious" about it, I would advise investing in a better set of irons...then you can add to your set with a driver, putter, wedges, fairway woods as you see fit. You can get a pretty good set of used irons usually for $400-500, if that is more appealing to you...the one catch is that they should "fit" you. Rock mentioned you were "tall enough" to hit the ball a long ways...how tall are you? What club do you normally use if you are 150 yards from the green? He's tall, I bet he's a classic case of needing custom fit clubs as well. My new irons are night and day better than my off the racks which allows to me swing more naturally. I've played 8 rounds since the purchase and the shot quality is much better.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:13 PM) Not with 4 teams, you don't. I've got the undefeated ACC team, the undefeated Pac 12 team and the 1 loss and undefeated SEC teams in way before a one loss Big Ten team.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) In my case, the credit check was more of a "position of power" I think, but that's a good tip regardless. It was all about power. It's crazy. I gave them nothing. I wouldn't put my initials down on my number, I refused. "My word is my bond, dude." I'm so happy with how I worked these pricks. Not all are bad, but you can sniff out the bad ones. Walking in with a piece of paper with four squares on it is going to make me laugh. Shaking your head at a fake credit report will make me leave.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:08 PM) If Michigan State can win at Oregon on Sept. 6, they would definitely be in the playoff talk with a conference championship, even with a loss in a weaker conference. If they have a loss I dont think they are getting in. You have to be undefeated.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) I used to turn both my feet to the left, and hit normal, not just open up. Glad I don't have to do that anymore. Once in a while I'll slice one badly but right now it's usually a consistent fade, which is workable and doesn't require me to aim way left. A little left, like you said, is fine. I'm pretty sure I turn my wrists as soon as I take the club away. For grips, well, I've never really thought about it. Since I just "seriously" got into golf 2 years ago (hadn't played in years before that), I only have a Wilson starter set and a few other clubs, with whatever normal grips come on them. I do wear a glove on my left hand. I do grip the club pretty tight, I know I need to work on that a bit. I don't have a lot of distance, but I'm not a big guy anyway. I sort of understand why hips and lower body etc. matter, but I feel like all my swing comes from my arms, maybe? Anyway, I'm not really concerned YET about crazy distance, first thing is just hitting the ball straighter. In a few years, I will get better clubs, but no need to drop thousands when I'm still trying to rapidly improve the game. I know new clubs isn't a quick fix for swing issues. You're tall enough where you could be a very long hitter. Also with hockey experience you have the muscle memory to lag and flip your wrists.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:00 PM) Big 10 should be interesting in the wake of this injury. Quite a few teams who should contend for the top spots. That said, none of the teams will contend for a NC or at least I don't expect them to. Quality of league is well behind Pac 10 and SEC. Still expect OSU to be one of the top teams, given the strengths of their defense, however, they were the only team that would have had some shot at the NC, imo, and those chances are gone, barring the injury not being as serious as all of us believe it is. It's that serious, they are already talking about his redshirt.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) And it was down to JT Barrett or Aaron Bailey (our backup), weird to think if he chose OSU he may have been starting now. Saw that pointed out yesterday. We actually have Cardale Jones as an older more experienced backup but JT surpassed him on the depth chart, so not necessarily.

Who knew the injury to Braxton would bring out the ND hatred.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) And the anger and frustration was based on unknown information. The people in the neighborhood saw "black kid shot dead by cop" and immediately concluded it was unjustified murder. The news media grabbed ahold of that narrative and ran with it. Never once have I read or heard anyone from the media say "that's just what one witness says, we don't actually know the full story yet." They are also reporting that the police are using unjust force when the media wont listen to them for their own safety. When the police ask you 25 times to move back or to go to another location because there is violence, you refusing and then inhaling tear gas is your own fault. When the narrative changes so much in a few days, you know this is the typical "first person to report a story" nature of today instead of actually waiting for the facts.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) What happened to the QB that subbed in for him last year, did he graduate? He seemed to be an adequate replacement. Yes he was a 5th year. JT Barrett will be starting. He was a highly ranked QB in the 2013 class.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 10:24 PM) 14 Chevy Cruze with 15k miles for 14.5. I'm pleased. I even got up to walk out and suddenly they met my number.\ My wife and I have ridiculous credit scores. It's annoying that they fight you on everything. Yeah, idiots, I'm going to take 2.99% when the wife and I have 850 and 828 credit scores respectively. GMAFB. They tried to pull that on me the other day and my credit score is next to perfect, the guy came back with concerns on my credit report of which I brought up on my phone and laughed. Guess my business is going to another dealership idiots.

Good news is he has two redshirts available to him.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) rubber or not, that s*** looks like it HURTS http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/f..._n_5678973.html I think they are supposed to hurt. Clearly longer lasting issues than tear gas though. The video is the best part, shes trying to rationalize with a "protester" who is saying over and over he might as well disobey.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) When I was a teen I cared about my future and would not put myself in a position to get arrested like that. I'm middle class though. Maybe they are poor; who knows? I'm glad somebody (NBC) finally checked on the cops stats. Actually 78 got arrested last night, not 35 like Ron Johnson said. Now they need to go to the hospitals and get condition reports on those shot and find out who they are and why they got shot. You can't just blindly trust the police facts at 2 a.m. news briefings in the street. They also interviewed a guy who explained how he got arrested last night. He said he was driving away from the scene and 20 cops pulled he and his people out of his car and stepped on them in the street and arrested them. He claims they were just trying to drive away after the gas warnings. Hmmmm. Can you post links?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) he's referring to this: http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/h...f-1227029281902 LOL, didnt see that. I've never seen a rubber bullet so I would probably make the same mistake, I have seen a bean bag being shot and have also been in a group that got gassed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) Were they shooting the ear plugs at them again? Last night there were no shots apparently. Previously they have only used bean bags or rubber.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:25 AM) Going back to whether Wilson chased after Brown or not, I just saw this from Piaget Crenshaw, one of the first witnesses and one of the ones who claims Wilson shot Brown with his hand in the air. So, setting aside whether Brown turned around and put his arms in the air or turned around and gestured and charged at Wilson, it does seem like Wilson ran after Brown. She also admitted that when the shtos first rang out she was gone for 30 seconds to get her phone and only got back when he was already laying down in the street. She also said he fled with his hands in the air which was proven false by the direction of the bullet graze which then made her change her story again.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) I think people should realize the schizm from last week to this week. Since the change from County to City police last Thursday, they have done a better job of separating treatment between protestors and rioters (see: antonio french's twitter). Most of SS examples are from last week. While there have been exceptions this week, it's been largely better. You can easily see it with your own eyes if you turn on the TV and watch live feeds. The police are trying to balance between allowing a protest and keeping people safe. A shooting happens literally a block away from the crowd so the police try to move the people out of the area to stop any further violence. The very notion that the Police are trying to tell them to do anything, even if its for their own safety is all of a sudden the craziest thing ever. If someone at that moment threw another molotov cocktail and it happened to injure those peaceful protesters or media the Police wouldnt be doing enough. I'd love to hear options on how to better ensure the safety of innocent people vs the violence that can and will occur every night. It a miracle it hasnt been worse.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) I mean, how on earth could you say that this isn't an overreaction: These are protesters on the streets of an American city. This isn't a war zone. Hell, veterans from actual war zones have pointed out how stupid this posture is. LOL@ that article. He should have just written that army men are tougher than anyone ever. I guess I shouldnt be shocked that someone who rambled for pages on how Brown got shot in the back is so easily influenced by media stories.