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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) Again, if the White So. Are going to be in the same range, why not just offer him an additional $17 million in year 1 to that offerthe money you would have paid him in 2018 to still lose and hurt your draft position. Maybe it will take more than just money to pry him away from New york. If the behind the scenes word is that he wants to go to NY because he likes it, maybe they can convince him to like Chicago just as much. 17 million in a 350 million dollar deal is pocket change to him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) Wouldn't an additional $17 million to his offer be better? Not if they can save it to put a better team around him.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) I don't understand why we are making this idiotic decision. Just offer Machado the most amount of money next offseason. Maybe they get the feeling that they would need to offer vastly more money than New York. however, if he is comfortable here the price may not be quite so high. The White sox will always have a middle of the road payroll. If they can save 5-10 million per year, that would allow them to build a better team around him. I have no idea if this is what they are thinking but it makes sense. anything to get an advantage to bring him to the Sox instead of the Yankees. with the Yankees getting a gift in Stanton maybe they won't break the bank for Machado.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) Saw that post and same guy mentioned Giolito AND Lopez That wouldn't be a good deal even if they had a guaranteed extension.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 01:11 PM) I think Angelos is passing on a good opportunity to exploit the Yanks. If Angelos expects Machado to sign with the Yanks next year anyway, then why not take advantage of a chance to get something from the Yanks this year? I would tell the Yanks that if they really want Machado, discussions begin with Torres. With so many bidders ( up to ten ) the Orioles are in a great spot to drive the price up on the Yanks to see just how desperate they are for Machado. This is what I would do, provided their offer is the best.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) The problem you have here is not only Machado one of the best players in the game, he is also a franchise icon. A trade that basically looks like a salary dump isn't happening which is why the White Sox interest is curious and ridiculous. The Orioles can sell it though. If he is refusing to even talk about an extension, they know he is gone. It's the "at least we got something" defense. In this case it's probably true, from all reports.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 05:22 PM) Isn't it under padding? I am pretty sure his foot got tangled with the outlet, not his knee. I would imagine a pad might have caused the same thing. Now I see it. It is in between the padded rail and padded wall. I still think there is danger by all walls whether they are padded or not. I don't think if they had a pad on that thing it would guarantee he wouldn't have been injured. NFL players wear helmets and they get concussions all the time. True. But concussions aren't caused by hitting the edge of something. This is a common mechanism for this injury and the padding would blunt the edge. after watching it a few times, there is another possibility for the injury. His foot seems to get caught as he goes to the wall. Another mechanism for this injury is the foot getting stuck and causing a rapid deceleration as the body is still moving. This was a famous injury for a Bears Wide receiver Wendell Davis. his feet caught caught at that old nasty astroturf at Vet stadium in Philadelphia. He ruptured his patella tendon on one leg and the quad tendon on the other, if i remember right. This would change the whole case if he didn't actually hit the metal box.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) Interesting. Whatever happens may force the Cubs to get rid of their ivy, and pad the bricks. There are exposed bricks in a lot of parks in the infield especially behind the plate to give an old time look. It is unfortunate what happened. I really wish he didn't sue, although it does suggest his rehab isn't going so well. Also, they may have to do something about the dugouts. You get blasted in the face sitting in the stands by a foule ball, and most courts throw those suits out. A freak injury like this shouldn't be worth big bucks. He is going to the stands, he knows there is danger. There shouldn't be a danger on the field that is easily fixed. Everyone is made aware of the brick wall before each series. Unless the White sox inform each team that there is a dangerous electrical box that the stadium authority decided not to cover in this spot, the authority should be held liable. That is an unnecessary danger. All they need to do is enclose it in a pad. Would surprise me if it is normally padded but a worker forgot to replace it after having to use it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) They just need to trade for the free agents they want to sign, show them the culture, and they are hooked. True. Because nobody cares for anything except money.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) This is moment of impact. The box he supposedly hit his RIGHT knee on is on the left side of him in front of the stairs. I just don't buy that. It's an odd injury to get in a guy that age without hitting something like that.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) Yeah I just watched it as well...the Sox, or ISFA, have more merit in this case than I thought. I mean, if they did pad the actual box itself, would that padding have been enough to stop that injury? Also, he was running full speed like the entire way, not attempting to slow down even at the warning track. That right there is negligence on HIS part for not assuming risk of injury, or maybe it was a calculated one on his part. I mean, it's not like it was a high pressure in game situation, even if it was his first MLB game. Idk. But, now that I see that the box wasn't sticking out in the field of play (whether blatantly or "intentionally hidden" as the suit seems to suggest), I don't feel so bad for the guy. Most likely. This type of injury was a slicing or cut type. If the edges were blunted by padding it probably would have have prevented it. I do feel sorry for the the guy. regardless of who is at fault it has the potential to be a career changer and not for the better.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 08:50 PM) I actually really like Luke's death. The 3 most powerful Jedi all went out by transcending the Force. It mirrored Obi Wan in that Luke realized showing the antagonist the true power of the Force was more important than a sword fight. Agreed. they need to find ways to remove the "old group" while slowly phasing in the "new group." I thought it was a good way.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 08:25 PM) I had his injury and it's a nightmare. Way worse than an ACL. Apparently his tendon was basically cut in half by the box. That's even worse than mine and he might never play high level baseball again. Most times you rip the tendon off the patella and the surgeons will repair it by drilling holes in the patella and attaching it using kevlar. You can recover and play high level sports again (Jimmy Graham) but it's a long ass road back. I am not sure how they even repair a tendon that is cut in the middle. The patella tendon is the 2nd largest tendon in your body after the achilles and is just as important. Yeah, it's a tough one when its a midsubstance tear. It's like trying to tie two pieces of spaghetti together. The internal augmentation device is needed to hold it together while it heals. He should be able to play again but it is a tough one and he'll probably miss a good chunk of this year. edit: I didn't explain the internal augmentation device. It will be a type of synthetic substance such as gortex or the kevlar. They will weave it through the tendon to add stability to the structure as it won't be as strong as it can be for about 18 months. He'll probably play earlier than that but tendon (and most tissues) take about that long to achieve full tensile strength.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) Good. Rein$dorf owes him millions of it is true about the box not being padded. That may have ruined his career. If that costs the sox the price of a big name FA, the fans will be out with pitchforks for Jerry. It won't be JR. The ISFA is responsible for the ballpark and facilities. The white sox just rent the place. He does have a legitimate case here. It will be interesting to see the settlement.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:16 AM) Oh, and I think I liked TFA better. This one had SOO many unanswered questions. I hope the 3rd one ties it all in, but just a lot of stuff that didn't seem to matter or left me unfulfilled. I didn't love it. I agree with everything you say here. Very good not great.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) Because the Sox interest makes zero sense Why? It makes perfect sense. He will be in his prime when the white sox have their window to compete. As long as thy are convinced they can sign him to a long term deal, it's perfect. they will have a very low payroll with the young players for the next 5 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) QFT Quantum Field Theory?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) I can't wait until I can start blaming the next generation for all sorts of things and stuff! It's a rite of passage.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) and Cedric. it also cannot be understated how different that defense was when Tommie Harris and Mike Brown were lost for the season. He was the key. A HOF talent no doubt wiped away by the devastating injury.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) And not old people for creating the mess in the first place... Yes. Because no one else will take responsibility.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) I think Jerry Reinsdorf is to blame for any and all millennial issues. Don't forget KW. But it's mostly JR because he is too loyal.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) Nope, just those self-entitled millenials like Michael Barrett. Pretty much everyone.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) Excellent point. On the flip side--these are the guys who have been on top of their sport for their whole lives so their sense of entitlement is sky high. Entitled to AB's, innings, high leverage situations, status, anything typically earned really. Kinda off the baseball topic, but remember when we all thought corporate America would serve as a great wake up call for the millennials? Sounding more and more like corporate America is going to end up bending/breaking to accommodate them instead...sigh... This makes them the super millennials. Some corporations do I'm sure. But the sports world has to. They need the production on a very visible level.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:42 AM) I don't think kicking coworkers in the nuts works well at any age level, but maybe that is just me. Well. I'm assuming that he has matured a little beyond the actual physical confrontations.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:10 AM) lmao, what does AJ's attitude problems have to do with anything with millennials? The rough, tough, yelling, berating manager will not communicate well with millennials.