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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 03:50 PM) Feel awful for Smith. Calling ptatc! This will be a tough one for him. The stress these joints are under while in the catching crouch is tremendous. The joints are under the most stress when doing single leg activities so trying to shift from side to side while the trunk is flexed is tough. Hopefully , it just some inflamation and in a week to 10 days it will calm down. If there is an actual shift it could be longer. Tough break for him.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) While true, you still have the evidence that Brady likes his balls deflated and he purposefully got rid of a phone that had potential evidence on it. There's enough circumstantial evidence here IMO to hit him with a fine or suspension. And I think Goodell had the authority to do what he did and how he did it. The 1st court decision was a joke. Having said all that, this whole story is ridiculous and its been ridiculous from day one. Very true but I think it's just that the owners and Godell are tired of the Patriots constantly doing things like this so they are trying to stop it by being overly harsh when they really did nothing for something like spygate. Multiple offenses means the punishment increases even if this offense wouldn't really warrant this punishment.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) They don't actually know that the balls were underinflated based on the measurements. That's the whole point. Their procedures and methods were flawed and the data collected invalid. Multiple knowledgeable people have gone through the details of all the things the NFL consultants got wrong and why their "facts" aren't actually proven facts. You can't just disagree with that, it's a fundamentally flawed report from the start. In the Wells report 11 of 12 balls were underinflated. They know they were underinflated to some extent. None of the Colts were underinflated. The debate was if they were underinflated enough that it would make a difference because they weren't underinflated by much. I think alot of the debate about the penalty can be summed up by the fact that Godell and the owners are tired of the Patriots getting off easy every time they are caught cheating ie. spygate. They are putting the hammer down to try to stop them from cheating in many very little ways.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 07:56 AM) You can't establish 2 without good procedures. That's the whole point. Eta with Braun chain of custody was broken, right? So you can't actually guarantee he conclusively failed the test. I'm sure we're all 99.9% that he did, but the authorities need to be able to actually prove it and they can't if the right procedures aren't followed. We'll just disagree. I think the facts are the facts. You can know the facts without the procedure. In the NFL, they know the footballs were underinflated. That is breaking the rules, regardless of why, how, or anything else. In Braun's case. The chain of custody had nothing to do with the results of the test. There was no tampering with the sample. The technician couldn't send it with Fed Ex the same day as it was closed by the time he got there. He sent it the next day. A violation of the chain of custody but wouldn't effect the test. It would be different if the sample could have been altered. It wasn't.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 07:44 AM) If you want to prove cheating actually happened, you need to follow good procedures. Cheating exists because people want to win and want more money or prestige or whatever. Happens outside of sports too. Edit another way of saying that is that without good procedure, you can't establish the facts conclusively. You can establish facts. Fact 1: empoyees admitted to purposely underinflating the balls. Fact 2: All of the Patriot footballs were underinflated, the Colts were not. These are not disputed facts. The procedure is how to interpret the facts. This is where it fails. In the case of the Braun drug test, there was no disputing that he failed a drug test. It was a fact. He didn't get suspended because proper procedure to send the sample to the lab immediately wasn't followed. i agree that there needs to be good procedures and rules to follow. However, sometimes there are unforseen circumstances that the procedure didn't take into account and common sense needs to over rule it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 07:15 AM) Wouldn't we all flip off Detroit fans if we could. I know I would. I have. There is one in our neighborhood. When the sox get big wins he returns the salute.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 26, 2016 -> 07:04 AM) The NFLs crack team appeared unaware that pressure changes with temperature and had no standardized procedure for performing and recording the tests they did. So procedural rules are always more important than the facts. They have employees admitting they underinflated the balls. All of the Patriot footballs were underinflated yet all of the others were not. Someone on the Patiots didn't follow the rules. This is just like the Ryan Braun not getting suspended for PEDs because the technician didn't follow the "procedure" yet followed common practice even though it was a valid positive test. This reasoning is why there is still rampant cheating in sports.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Apr 25, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) Severely underperforming. The fact is, they're one of the blueprints people are following. The problem is the blueprint isn't new. Teams have always tried it. It's just that it's usually small market teams that can't afford to pay to fill in the holes where the draft failed. Theo and the boys are successful because they did it with Boston and the cubs where they could have one of the highest payrolls in the league to compensate for the holes in teams which is pitching because pitching is more difficult to predict by their metrics.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 25, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) Just to clarify, I don't think Brady should have been suspended but I also didn't buy the first judges reasoning. Correct. Godell followed the procedure the NFLPA agreed to. If they don't like it, change it in the next CBA, but be ready to give up something substantial.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Nope, serious. All his peripherals have been great in his minor league career except hits allowed. His command might be too good and throws too many strikes. If that's truly the case, with his command he'll learn and adjust as he matures as a pitcher.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) If Abreu continues the way he has been, this team has no chance to compete. Robin would have no prayer of keeping this team in games. Yes. Players have to play (well).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) I wasnt aware that I had to randomly espouse praise for every musician i am a fan of in order to make my appreciation of these musicians "more real" when they pass away If I listen to a musician, am i not celebrating this person? If I watch an actor on TV/in movies, am I not appreciating this person? Does a RIP tweet have to be validated by constant previous praise? I have both Bowie and Prince on my ipod rotation for running. However, I guess I'm not truly a fan unless I sing their praise while running or typing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 02:28 PM) Bowie was way more of a performer. Prince was a musician who was a hell of a performer. Agreed. I liked Bowie and listened to his music. He was very creative and a good performer. However, he wasn't the all around musician Price was.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) Yeah, no. Terrible offense did Ding, Ding, Ding!

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Great pitching, sans Danks. 2 runs in 6 innings is awful, how could a team live with that?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) So true. "That guy whose music I never ever listened to, he was so good at music!! RIP " In this case they happen to be correct.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) I always respected Prince as an entertainer. He pushed the boundaries of showmanship like guys like Freddy Mercury and David Bowie did. What I didn't realize for a long time was how much talent he had as a guitarist too until I saw him play during this Beatles tribute. Prince really takes over and puts some historically great guitarists to shame at about the 3:30 mark of this video. I mean that is Petty, Winwood, and Lynne on stage with him, and they all took a side to Prince. #RIPPrince He is the most talented overall musician I've seen live in the last 40 years. At one of the shows he played every instrument during different songs and had majors solos on each one. He was incredible. That video is one of my favorites and the one that most "non-Prince" fans find. RIP.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) Johnson is a young righty and I'm all about 3 lefty, two righty starters. Also Danks might have some value in the pen. As much as I love him, he is not a very good starter. Who hasn't shown he can get MLB hitters out. Let him earn his way into the rotation by showing he has learned to get MLB hitters out.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) Why is Johnson warming up? If we need a reliever it should be Danks relieving and Johnson starting IMO. Because of johnson's success in the MLB?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 02:17 PM) And to whoever brought up Tyler Flowers, there you go. It was me but it was just a question to those who wanted to run Flowers out of town, not that I preferred one or the other

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Better off if Avila just doesn't swing. I truly can't believe how bad he is now. Do people ( not necessarily you) still think Flowers had to go and anybody would better better than him?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) White Sox don't hit but win, dark clouds. Cubs don't hit but win. They are going to be unstoppable. Welcome to Soxtalk!

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) All year we have talked about how the team is completely dependent on the 2nd line scoring and Crawford standing on his head. Well, Crawford has been outplayed, and Tarasenko is outscoring the 2nd line 3-1. Case closed. I'm blaming the Cubs. They are using all of Chicago's luck for beating St. Louis teams the last few days.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) It's just because Abreu needs a break from fielding for a day and Sands can play first. There's no accountability here so it's not disciplinary reasons What did he do that would get him benched for disciplinary reason? I must have missed it.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Apr 19, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) That could change if Danks clanks another outing. I think it will take more than that. Danks has a record in the MLB of being servicable. Johnson hasn't shown he's even capable of pitching in the MLB. I would guess they will give Danks at least 6-8 starts.