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QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Robin has a history of losing but no history of winning. Yes, he has difficulty hitting the ball and throwing strikes at his age.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 11:58 PM) This post... lol Yeah OUR bad Robin has a long history of winning... how short sighted of us. So when they win it's lucky but when they lose it's RV fault. I can't argue with that kind of logic.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) At this point, the "boss" is the White Sox fanbase. No it's not and that would be the worst way to run a team.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-025146341.html Speaking of public humiliation....not a good look for White Sox fans (being called out for booing a pitcher in his very first performance for the team, although some of it must be related to the carryover of knowing what happened against the Mariners in his previous start), for Robin Ventura OR for Rick Hahn. National media starting to really turn on Robin. Pandering to fans for a fall guy.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) The players on this team and those are responsible for them being on the Sox deserve no quarter. As far as I'm concerned they've earned whatever public humiliation they get. There's no salvaging this season anymore, anyone who thinks the playoffs are anything other than a very remote possibility is delusional. This group is mentally unfit for major league baseball and should be broken up. Maybe but it won't help the team. The whole point of anything should be to help the team not just to satisfy the bloodlust of some fans. For the season they are 1 game under .500. They need to try to fix it and then decide in the off season what the best way to help the team is.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 11:53 PM) Don't know if anybody saw the "official" verified San Diego Padres twitter account tonight. The post may already be deleted but at 7:11 someone wrote out "No Tradebacks" on it. Another web site had the screen shot of it. Royals last week and now the Padres dishing it to the Sox. Just a shame. Mark Classic.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:35 PM) Wonder what the worst 26 game stretch of any playoff team since 1995 is? It's probably more applicable to start when they added the extra playoff game. It is easier to make it now then in 1995.

Shuck can tell his grandkids that Harper could never hit him.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) It is a micocosim of the failings of this organization. There is a stink to that place. Robin does not get the best out of his players. Who was the manager when the team had a record of 23-10? Was he not getting the best out of them at that point?

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:22 PM) There are kw fingerprints on a good amount of move Rollins for one, shields, hanging onto avi. I am not sure what Hahn is actually responsible for. Unbelievable, I'm still saying it was JR's administrative assistant who made the moves.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:14 PM) And wow, Robinson used again in a non save situation, and he f***ing s***s the bed. I am so SHOCKED! /s It actually makes alot of sense. He hasn't worked in a game in awhile and needed to work. They planned on using a position player at the end so let him get game work in.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) It's truly a collective debacle here. They're paid to get it right and they're f***ing way off. Time for some firings ASAP. I wouldn't. They built the team so you give them the year to finish it. In each of the last two years they've made big changes to the team. It didn't work last year so they got this year. So far it's a tale of 2 months, one really good, one awful.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:09 PM) they should all go...not one person in the front office/coaching staff outside of Renteria that deserves to remain around. This is a complete organizational failure. We have a winner!

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) That's fine that you believe that, but Kenny has always had a hardon for Shields. He absolutely was the man behind this trade. Conspiracy at it's best. I think it was the administrative assistant to JR.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) So who takes Shields' spot in the rotation? Bonus question: does this go down as the worst of all KW trades? Unbelievable.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) Here's the thing. Not living in a swing state allows you to be loose as hell with your vote to some extent. True. But to me I still want it to mean something to me. Even though in the actual voting only Clinton has a chance in Illinois.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) BTW, I prefer to think of free college more in terms of expanding public education from 13 years to 15 or even 17 years. A good start would be 15 years. That would then include either two years extra of remedial K-12 years, a couple years of trade, tech, or community college, or if you do enough concurrent enrollment or AP classes, it would get you pretty darn close to a bachelor's degree. And that is really what is being proposed, extending the 13 years that we already provide. I could get on board up to an associates degree. There are far too many student in 4 year institutions now who don't belong. And that is not a knock on them. It isn't for everyone. I think the free college degree will "force" too many into thinking they need to go when they 1. don't really want to or 2. really aren't able to handle it. I think the money for this program would really be better spent on improving the K-12 to prepare the ones who do want to go and prerpare them better, increase the opportunity at that level.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) A health care access system that's on par with every other industrialized nation on the planet and a plan for expanding free school to include college (something that worked well for California for decades and works for other countries as well!) is not on par with calls to essentially abolish the federal government, to build the largest wall in the world to keep out immigrants, or a blanket ban on visas for a particular religion. Those are both awful ideas. Working with international athletes alot, there is a reason they come to the US for care. Free college is also an awful idea, talk about a way to really increase debt. government is far too big and costs far too much for little gain. I know you won't agree with any of those ideas but I just wanted to respond.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) This election is tough. For how much I dislike Hillary there is still no way I could vote for Trump. Im just going to vote for Gary Johnson. I keep thinking the same thing. however, let's be honest we know it's either Trump or Clinton. Voting any other way is as good as not voting. So I'm really trying hard to find the lesser of the evils.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) Voting for the one who isn't a thin-skinned con artist with no apparent grasp on policy at all and is a big racist to boot seems like a pretty easy call? There are plenty of problems ie. honesty and integrity on the other side as well.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) "At least our candidate isn't a Giant Orange Racist Baby" is a fine selling point. This is why deciding between the two is really going to be tough.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) In my opinion a little of both. But Kenny to me is the single biggest issue with this organization. Mark I would disagree with JR as they have spent money just not allocated it well. KW isn't the current GM he still has oversight but he focuses more on scouting than being the day to day GM. The one to look at is Hahn. Have his moves since he has been GM been good? The results sure haven't. however, by public perception if Hahn goes KW will need to as well because he will still be the fans scapegoat.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 02:08 PM) And regarding the salary cap issue. As long as the MLBPA is among the strongest unions in the world MLB will NEVER have a salary cap. I've very confident making that statement. So either you learn to live with it, adapt, spend money and succeed or you swim against the current, consistently lose and alienate your fan base. It's simply a matter of choice although I understand there are many more factors, stadium lease, concession / parking revenue, MLB as a whole almost literally printing money today with all the revenue streams. Frankly the desire to actually win among some owners may not be all that strong anymore. Mark I agree here as well. hence, JR telling his heirs that keeping the Bulls is the better option.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 01:47 PM) The sox strategy of being a lower-half payroll team that will stay competitive through free agency signings doesn't seem like a strategy anyone would advise. But here we are. They aren't lower half. The 25 man roster ranks 8th in salary.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) If the salary money isn't allocated properly, it really isn't. Part of it is the money is and has been spent on players who weren't that good. Dunn, LaRoche and Danks come to mind. How about the money paid to Jeff Keppinger a guy the Sox signed and paid with a bum shoulder? Mark Correct. So when he said that it's primarily JR's fault, I would disagree. The is money being spent. How it is being spent is the issue. So is it JR or front office?