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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 4, 2013 -> 07:17 AM) It's definitely OK for a cop to yell back at a person in certain situations, and not just where violence is implied. There are a million different personalities in the world. Believe it or not, some people NEED to be yelled at to reach them. Of course you want to keep it low as often as possible, but that's not always an option. It's a little more complex than how you originally put it, is all I'm getting at. This I agree with. I didn't mean that they aren't allowed to. It is called for at times. My point was in comparison to the umpire scenario. Yelling back at someone because they are yelling is not the first option to keeping the situation controlled. The umpires purpose as with police is first to defuse the situation as much as possible. It doesn't always work with the police scenario then the situation changes.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 3, 2013 -> 09:51 PM) Multiple. And you must not have read close enough. If I read it wrong then I apologize. I read that's it's ok for a police officer to yell back at someone yelling at them. If they are physically threatened then it's not only ok but justified. However, it was all being compared to an ump yelling at a player not anyone threatening physical violence.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 3, 2013 -> 11:13 AM) I'm pretty sure Milkman is a cop, so he probably knows If he is I would like to know what academy he went to. I've treated many police at all levels (local, city and state). They are always taught to defuse a situation. If physical violence is involved of course they need to act but they shouldn't instigate it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) Like we said, it's a 12-18 month rehab. Most guys are throwing at around 12 months and can compete in games and are fully back by 18 months. This isn't Derrick Rose we're talking about. At worst he ought to be pitching in minor league games early next season. Yep, Throwing begins around 9 months.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2013 -> 07:17 PM) Wrong. He is Correct.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) There are most definitely times to raise voices/yell. And you certainly can't tase someone for yelling. You only tase when it escalates to possible violence. This occurs when both sides raise the level and physical threats appear.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 1, 2013 -> 11:37 PM) It's not a good analogy. Teaching is not the same as umpiring, or even policing. Umpires and cops aren't trying to teach anybody, it's only about enforcing rules and keeping people in line. They are pure authority figures. Teachers have to get students to trust them and listen to them. Umpires and police offers don't need anyone's trust for anything. They are in charge and have ways to dole out serious punishment. Also, bulls*** that cops aren't supposed to yell. "Excuse me kind sir, you need to drop your weapon and lie on the ground. Please don't make me raise my voice." Crowd control? They don't yell? Now we're just making s*** up. Your example was yelling not a gun drawn. Obviously, the police needs to take action if there is already a physical threat. However, if it is just an angry yelling individual, police are taught to reamin calm and try to calm the other person. As soon as the cops yells back it escalates.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2013 -> 08:23 AM) I'll bet there's a 50/50 shot that he signs a minor league deal with the ChiSox in the offseason. He'll get a major league deal from someone if not the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) For some reason, a back spasm popping up in May seems unlikely to be caused by pitching too many innings during a season that ended 7 months prior. Not to say that it is the reason but it could be. Ideally, you use your legs and back extensively when pitching. If issues occur elsewhere (arm, shoulder, legs) you can compensate for it and it could show up in the back. Just as with any of the other areas, you would like the stress to be in the bigger muscles of the back and legs. This is most likely not the case however it is worth watching if a pattern develops. I always watch someone who significantly increased their pitching load over the previous year. Not the "Verducci Effect" of young pitchers only but everyone. It doesn't always happen but it's a cause to watch.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) Of all of the people that were pushed hard, Peavy was not one of them. Him and Sale both got lots of extra days off and skipped starts. They still pitched alot more innings than in the two previous years, as did Quintana.

QUOTE (Hawkfan @ May 2, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) Why does everyone have to be a great guy? Whatever great guy means. I would imagine that half the players in baseball are not great guys, but jerks by most standards. Who gives a s***? AJ was awesome and loved by most sox fans, and now that we get to bean him it's hilarious, like tripping your best friend in front of a girl he likes. I wish more people were like AJ and didn't care about hurting someone's feelings so much. I'm all for being nice, but people are too sensitive these days. If that makes me a "meathead" fan, I'll take that over half the nerds on this site that have never played a game in their life. There's a difference between not being a great guy and just being nasty to people for no reason. AJ was and is a fun player to watch and a good player. You would like to think in society most people would be respectful to others. Do you have to be, no. Is it entertaining if you're not, yes. I just comment when people try to say, "AJ wasn't that bad of a person." I liked having him on the team. He did contribute alot. He helped bring something I never thought was possible to Chicago, a White Sox World Series.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 09:11 AM) Yes, but then there are quotes about guys who were concerned about playing with him saying he wasn't was his reputation made him out to be. I also read where he really mellowed when he became a father. Everything I read is that he eventually will get under your skin because he's pretty much non stop talking, trying to poke the lion. AJ loves pro wrestling, and has taken his role as the MLB villian and ran with it. All of this is true. I love the way he plays. He cannot be knocked for his play. He did mellow as he got older. However, while he wasn't outright nasty to people as he was when younger, he was a "surly" person who people still disliked, not HATED, as portrayed.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 2, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) Good point, but how quickly can we collect it? I'm guessing we won't see that money until the season is over. If he is on the DL he gets worker's compensation pay which usually comes from the insurance company. It varies by insurance company on how quickly the reimburse.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ May 2, 2013 -> 09:00 AM) Do you know this? Have you talked to his teammeates? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm actually curious. We've all heard that he's a jerk, but I've not seen one White Sox player say anything but positive things about him. Yes I know this. I was working in the league when AJ was around and still have friends who work in baseball. I've never seen quotes from any player that were much better than neutral. It's usually like Reed said "i get along with him fine or I enjoyed throwing to him." I've never seen any say "what a great guy I really enjoy spending time with him." Jon Garland was quoted during the 2005 season as saying "he's a jerk but he's our jerk" paraphrasing of course. Wasn't he voted as the most disliked player in baseball in some poll recently?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:58 AM) I don't think AJ was drilled because he's AJ. He got drilled because he was up to bat when Reed decided to either throw at the batter or throw inside. If there truly was a retaliation in response to Dunn getting hit, then 2 outs in the ninth with a three run lead is a good time to do it. AJ just happened to be the batter. And enough with the AJ is hated s***. He played for the Sox for eight seasons and was extended a couple times. There's no doubt that his teammates respected him. He might very well be a jerk, and the argument when he was on the Sox was that he was our jerk. Now he's the Rangers' jerk. Regardless, I am sure there are guys on the Sox right now that still respect him As a baseball player not as a person.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) The Rangers broadcast apparently was laughing about AJ sticking his elbow out to get hit. Then the drama, which we all know AJ seeks and works off of, began. Drilling AJ to show him how much he was disliked is a great story, but it's really about as real as reality TV. Agreed. I think only one who said he was hit on purpose was Hawk. Again just defending him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) Hawk said AJ was drilled because Dunn was drilled yesterday. Did you not see AJ stick his elbow out to get hit? He could have easily avoided it, but the Rangers needed baserunners and it adds to the drama surrounding AJ. I really don't think White Sox players hate AJ as much as some think. I'm sure some do, but not nearly the entire team. Hawk always defends AJ as he has been friends with the family since AJ was in high school. AJ was disliked by almost everyone. Hate is too strong of a word. They tolerated a good baseball player but didn't like him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 2, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) Honestly, I think our rotation will be stronger with Santiago instead of Floyd. The only thing that sucks IMO is that we now have $10M of dead payroll that will be difficult to move. If he is on the DL for any length of time, insurance will cover most of the money.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 1, 2013 -> 01:24 PM) The only information we have is that Hallion said one line. We don't know exactly what was said, only what Price claims he said. Even so, who knows if he was "yelling." Even if he was, it's not a big deal. After all, they weren't right next to each other. Umpires, managers, and players have back-and-forth throughout a game as circumstances permit. Sometimes those confrontations are louder and more intense than others. Do you really think if a person is yelling a police officer, the police officer isn't allowed to yell back? I just don't see saying a line to a player as "losing temper" or "getting out of control." It's not like he ran up to him, yelled at him for 30 seconds, shoved him, etc. There is variations depending on the intensity of the situation. The police officer should not yell back and escalate the situation. This will only cause the situation to get worse. If one member of the incident remains calm it won't escalate to a problem. I'm not saying they don't but it just makes things worse. In a baseball game, the umpire's actions should be reviewed if the situation escalates. He is supposed to keep control. He is human and it doesn't always happen but if it does disciplinary actions should arise. In my classroom if a student starts complaining about how they don't see the relevance of the material (I use this example because I get it all the time) I explain how it fits in the clinical picture in the long run. I don't start complaining about how this is the way it is and they should shut up and listen. There are correct ways to handle confrontations. Escalating the incident is always the wrong way in this scenario.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 1, 2013 -> 10:25 AM) Price was yelling as he went off the field, hell he was still yelling in the dugout. Then it's taken to Twitter. Umpires can certainly yell at players or managers. They shouldn't. They should tell the offender to stop it, or explain their actions or call if that was the discussion. If it's arguing balls and strikes the player/manager gets a warning then they are ejected. There is no room for an official to yell and lose his temper. The umpire should be disciplined if this is the case. At no time should a person whose job it is to keep the game under control, lose his control. It will be detrimental to that game and have an effect on the outcome.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 1, 2013 -> 09:16 AM) Seeing what you want, Price is yelling then Hallion (likely) says something as we can't see, then Price starts yelling again. I already explained why, go back and read the other post. Price kept it going after the inning. He's going to get a response. Hallion responded because of 1) the body language after the pitch and then 2) Price b****ing about if afterwards. Tell Price to move on. It looks like that had already happened. If Price doesn't stop he gets ejected. The umpire should never yell at a player. He tells him to stop it, then eject him if it continues. There is no room in a game for the umpire to do this.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 1, 2013 -> 12:36 AM) I'm still waiting to see why saying a swear word is the most egregious thing you've ever seen in your life. OMG he said a swear word, something players and managers do all the time (hell, Price could have been saying one during any of his yelling). LOL. I guess you see what you want. And by put his head down and walk to the dugout, you mean he turns to Hallion and barks at him. You can't see Hallion walking towards Price, in fact he's standing there absolutely stationary in the brief clip you can see of him. In the very last clip you can see a zoomed in view of Hallion with the Rays bench in the background. To say he's all the way over by the Rays bench is incorrect. Of course MLB is reviewing the situation. They review a lot of things. I'm sure every ejection is reviewed. Add it on to Price taking it to Twitter etc, of course it's reviewed. It's not much the swearing, although I disagree that it shouldn't be penalized. It's the official losing his temper on the field. That should never happen. If the player did something to elicit that response he should be warned then ejected if it happens again. If the person who is supposed to keep the game under control can't keep himself under control it will effect the game. In this situation if Price was arguing balls and strikes, the umpire is within his rights to eject him immediately.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 30, 2013 -> 08:11 AM) fwiw I think Bernstein's own background is reformed Judaism, and at one point he was criticizing orthodox Jews as well for being sexist and homophobic. Yes, he will bash anyone for ratings. His actions are no different than Broussard's. Taking extreme stands for ratings. Although I do admit at times like these I listen to Bernstein to see how he makes a fool of himself, so the ratings ploy works. I like the part where he insited that homosexuality must be genetic and people have no choice. What about his twin brother? or the WNBA player who came out then changed her mind and married a man.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) Ventura has made weird moves before, so situation didn't matter. I could turn that around. The situation in which Rios ran should be ample proof Rios didn't go on his own. Wouldn't Rios understand the situation? Or is his TWTW not high enough? Konerko was on first, of course he wouldn't move as he'd be thrown out by about 40 feet. Doesn't do anything. Because someone can look at what it tells the WAR is of a particular player, compare it to other stats for that player and other players, and come to their own conclusion that it's pretty accurate at valuing players. If WAR wasn't an accurate measure of anything, it wouldn't be so prevalent and would be dismissed anyway. I disagree. It's the only thing someone has come up with to attempt to compare players in all facets of the game. different groups try to calculate it differently. Just because it's the only thing out there doesn't mean it's accurate. If that was true the only stats we would discuss would be batting average rbi's and eras because that's all we old people had in the dark ages fo the 70's and 80's when we watched night games by candlelight.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 26, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) I don't think his rawness hurts him as much in football as it would in other sports. If he's as gifted and good as they say, they can coach him up and he should be decent, which is an upgrade for the Bears, in short order. If they do plan to play him at G, it makes me wonder if a guy like Carimi is out the door. The beat writers made it a point at the end of the season to mention that Carimi was their choice to be most improved in 2013. Apparently he still wasn't healthy. Maybe he's never going to be healthy. I think it's more that since he has very little experience they want to break him in slowly. The lack of experience is not as crucial at guard. My guess is that he is a guard for a year, move to right tackle and eventually more to left tackle. How long did Bushrod sign for?