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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 10:18 AM) Guys, they ain't trading Foppert for Borchard. Foppert had some arm trouble last year but he's fine, probably going to be starting for them this year and he's put up good numbers in the majors and is still quite young. He's a superior player in comparison to Joe Borchard. I know like I said wishful thinking but I wonder what we could get, especially if Bonds continues to whine about being tired and sitting out most of the season.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) Just call this a hunch, but by reading between the lines on some of these reports out of AZ, and knowing a bit about the rules, I have a feeling they are setting up the possiblility or option of putting El Duque on the DL to keep BMac up. He's pitched in nothing but intersquad games for a while now. If admission is not charged to these games he's appearing in, then they do not count as an appearance. Therefore, they can backdate his DL stint to the last time he appeared in a "real" game. That gives them the flexibility of pulling him off the DL quickly if someone faulters or goes down with injury. There was a quote in a paper a few days ago where Ozzie said his starting pitchers were going to pitch in a lot of B games especially early on for two reasons. One, he wanted to get a look at the future pitchers to see what he had to bring up later and two avoid letting teams he will face in the season get a good look at the pitchers. If you've noticed, Contreas, Garland, Hernandez and Garcia have all pitched in more B games than you normally see in ST. I think Ozzie is scarred by the 5th starter debacle from last year and wanted to see how the young starter do against major leaguers in ST.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 10:00 PM) I almost want to watch some Giants' games just to see Moises flop around there. There's no more ivy for Alou to kick balls into. (my best impression of Alou in the field)

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 09:39 PM) Is Foppert actually healthy now? I know he has had some troubles with health issues in the past and I think he was shut down for a part of last year. Reports are that he is doing well after the arm injury. Maybe they will take the chance and trade him?

QUOTE(JimH @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) As we discussed at lunch, I don't see the matchup between the two teams. Ozuna 2-2 again today, hard to imagine he doesn't have the utility spot locked up. Levine says the Cubs are hot on the trail of a lefthanded reliever, of course fat Harry Teinowitz immediately mentioned Kelly Wunsch, Levine said it won't happen. The next 10 days will be interesting, in terms of personnel. I still smell a trade, of the minor variety. I don't know if anyone else talked about this but in baseball weekly it said that the Giants had a lot of interest in Borchard. It's probably increased with the current Bonds scenario. Maybe Jesse Foppert? (I know, wishful thinking)

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QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 07:20 PM) If b-mac comes up here for good wouldn't that be awesome that he could potentially be gone when he is 27? That is why you start the good prospects in the minors at the begining of the year to decrease their service time and you can keep them the extra year.

I agree. I like Hawk and he brings a great deal of knowledge to the broadcasts. But he tends to go overboard on his praise.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) He has a bruise on his shoulder in other words. He might need a day or two off, but he should be fine. Yep. The only way contusions keep people out for an extended period of time is if they develop into a myositis ossificans. This is when the blood stays in the muscle for an extended period of time and bone starts to grow in it. So you have bone in the middle of a muscle. This is quite painful. The trainer for the Sox will not allow this to occur.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) Contusion = deep bone bruise. They vary in extermity of course, seeing as my wrist contusion made me unable to lift anything for two months. But seeing as how I am frail like the elderly, Rowand should be fine. A contusion does not imply a bone bruise. A boe bruise usually involves an inflammation of the periosteum or the covering of the bone. This covering doesn't bleed so they are painful but do not show up as contusions. In order for the bone to bleed it would need to fracture. What you may have had was the periostitis along with the normal contusion because in order to get to the bone you usually injure the soft tissue as well.

QUOTE(thelatinoheat_30 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 06:40 PM) just saw on comcast that rowand was in a single A game today(to work on a hip flexor injury) and got hit by a pitch on the shoulder. he now has a contussion, dunno what that means and that's all they said on it. Contusion=bruise

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:18 AM) Congress holds the anti-trust exemption as the trump card. There's no question the IOC will have an impact on collegiate sports. That impact should trickle down to high schools. The pressure will increase over that time for MLB. That exemption is just as important to the players as the owners. I agree with all of your points in theory and I wish they would come true. But IMHO because of the of the difference in the cost and procedures with blood testing versus urine testing, you will not see much of a change in professional sports a or coolegiate sports. High schools will not test for steriods. Remember when they were talking about how to test for cocaine and such in high school? It won't go anyway due to the cost and issues of dealing with minors and privacy.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 06:04 PM) One reason Borchard has gotten a longer leash than most is that he does whatever is asked of him and works as hard, if not harder, than anyone in the organization. The guy is a class act, on and off the field, even if he hasn't gotten the results that everyone, including Borchard, expected. Not to mention the 5.3 mil signing bonus the largest in Sox history. I do however agree with everything else you said.

Without a doubt,MB. You can't replace your best pitcher. Look at the offense last year without Frank and Maggs with no good replacements. We still scored tons of runs but couldn't stop anyone from scoring. In baseball pitching and defense wins. Does anyone know the fundamental difference between baseball and all other sports? The defense has control of the ball/puck/object. This is why pitching and defense is so important.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) This is what I was told.. Mark is fine and it's been a tab bit exaggerated. Small stress fracture (which I guess is not really a "real" fracture but a "bend" of the bone and not really a "crack" in the bone ) of the bone that joins the top of the foot to the toe. Little bit of discomfort, but he's walking fine today and it's not even swollen. Having more tests. From the look and feel of it today, doesn't look/feel at all serious. What happened... Mark was out catching balls and he just went to move to scoop up a ball and his foot kind of went sideways and he heard a little snap. Initially thought it was just dislocated because it swelled immediately and he literally could not put any pressure on it (which sounds like where they (reporters) got the torn ligament assumption - and is in line with what I heard last night). So.. sounds like he's going to be fine. It couldn't have been "just a dislocation," In order to dislocate he would have has to injury many ligaments and the capsule as well. Hopefully it was just a "jam" or capsulitis and the snap he heard were just the tendons rolling over.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 05:06 PM) Anyone else thinking that the Sox trainers are offically the anti-Cub trainers? Cubs Trainers: "He'll be out a few day"="He may not play again this season" Sox Trainers: "He'll be out at least a month or 3"="He'll walk it off and be just fine" Herm is one of the best in the business and will stay there until he retires. The Cubs keep rotating them with mangerial changes and more. There is nothing else to say.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) True. Torn ligaments are more of a nagging injury to heal. A bone break usually takes a set amount of time to heal. This is usually true for thr typical ankle sprain. However, if it involves the great toe as most people are saying then it is a little different. Mostly due to the amount of swelling that occurs. There is not as much room for the swelling around the toe so the healing is different.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Can anyone, from a medical standpoint, say whether or not it would be "better" for Buehrle to have a broken bone in his toe/foot, or a torn ligament? I assume the bone would be "better" (meaning he'd be out less time with that than the torn ligament), but can someone say for sure? It really depends on the ligament injured and how badly "sprained" it is. A fracture is 4-6 weeks. A ligament can be anywhere from 1 week for a mild sprain to 8-10 weeks for a more severe sprain. If he is walking as well as they say he is, then I would guess no more than a month for the very worst case. If the CT reveals a fracture then you are back to the 4-6 week area.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:06 PM) 2nd MRI was inconclusive, showed no break. Will have a CT scan tommorrow. No limp today, feels much better. If they are doing a CT scan then bone is what they are looking at, especially if the MRI was inconclusive, not that MRI's are all that accurate anyway.

Thet said on the radio that he was going for a second MRI and bone scan. This means they still aren't sure what is causing the pain, a ligament or a bone. I didn't hear where it was but if it was the great toe then it could mean longer problems. This is the "turf toe" where it hurts every time you push off that foot during walking running or anything else. Since it's his left foot which sits on the rubber, he needs to extend the toe futher. This will take longer to rehab. Let's wait to see the definitive diagnosis (ligament or bone) before any predictions of return to throwing can be made.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 20, 2005 -> 09:44 AM) The never-ending thread. I must add to it. I feel compelled to. Jose is wrong & the stance by the Olympic comm is proof of that. He may have written the book before then so I give him the benefit of that doubt. But when you consider all of the sports that are part of the Olympics today it's going to trickle down. It's inevitable. I see the Olympics as the front-line in testing for doping. It's where all the R&D is going to come from. Those methods will become mass-produced & integrated in first college athletics & then high school athletics. The simple reason being that roids & doping in general threaten the integrity of scholarships & Title IX. They won't allow that to happen. Because the Olympic comm has taken such a hard-line stance the issue is not going to die. When Frank is inducted into the HOF there will still be athletes disqualified from Olympic play because they were doping. By then roids will have probably faded away in favor of HGH or something new. As for Fehr's biggest worry (genetic manipulation) as long as MLB does everything the Olympic comm does he can say they've done everything possible to insure the integrity of the game. If Fehr didn't get the message on Thursday hopefully someone should tell him: FOLLOW THE IOC when it comes to this issue. Pretty simple. Manfred can just copy their documentation It's very difficult to compare the Olympics (amatuer sports) vs. any professional sport. The Olympics don't deal with a union and they use blood tests to find many of the banned substances. No professional sports use blood tests therefore will not be able to detect many substances including HGH. Rumor had in MLB that Sammy was on HGH therefore even with the new standards he will not get caught.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Mar 18, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) Ask and you shall receive. Gload pops out. Dye whiffs. Everett left on second. After 1, 1-0 good guys. Those aren't the type of updates for which I was looking. How about back to back to back jacks!!! Just kidding Thanks for doing the updates

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Mar 18, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Iguchi singles. Double for Everett...Sox up 1-0. Anybody want updates? Otherwise I won't bother. I would luuuv updates!!!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 18, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) A lot of interesting things here. Baseball's leaders came off as complete assclowns. Bud Selig gave some of the most self-serving answers of all of them. He didn't want this issue in public just as much as anyone else. He could have made this a public issue, or at worst, he has the ability to enact these kind of rules for the good of the game, without subjecting them to collective bargining. If he really wanted something done, he could have done it. And as a former used car salesman, he knows all of the backdoors. I agree that the MLB leaders looked bad especially Manfred. But I think the union looked worse. Schilling's elitist attidtude really got annoying and Congress showed it. Fehr took the brunt of it when Selig said I wanted a tougher policy but the union wouldn't go for it. While it's somewhat of a "he said this and I said that" arguement, Selig has some basis for fact that they instituted a more strict policy in the minor which he did not need to negotiate with the union.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) I don't know about how those studies were done, but I wonder how much of that is because "research standard" in medicine is such an incredibly high standard. Studies that were 'improperly performed' in medicine would in many other fields be considered lead-pipe-cinch convincing. That's partly true. The most statsical rigorous research deals with pure number such as the SABR people in baseball. they like them becasue they are clean. In medicine it is the direct cause and effect that is the best. I take two groups and give one steriods and give the others a placebo. I run them though the exact same exercise program and see what happens. Use a double blind method so I don't know which person is in which group. If I do this for 20 years I will hve my strong research study. Most drugs go through Stage I, II and III research which last around 7 years or so. This is why drugs cost so much to invent and produce. Again no one will allow a researcher to do this to a person so we are left with just watching what happens to people who have admitted to taking them. Most of it is from the NFL. This is tainted because many researchers believe NFL player die sooner because of all o fthe impact they suffer in the game. Again confounding factors which cloud our view on steriods. A great book I read was on the East German female swimmers of the 60's-early 70"s. They put the physician's on trial who gave them massive amounts of steriods against their knowledge. It isa great read and very revealing. However, in the end the physician's didn't have any real penalties because the evidence is anecdotal and circumstantial