YASNY

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:35 PM) YASNY, Reading between the lines, I agree that as a nation we would be better off if religious attendance was a part of every life. We'll disagree when I say I respect that it can be the God of their choice. In the days after 9/11 Americans turned to Churches in huge numbers. I don't believe things are as bleak as you portray and I certainly don't doubt the resolve of the American people in the face of terrorists and evil. Texsox, I really really hope you are right and I wrong. But, as of today, I don't see it.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:21 PM) I agree its a step. I was more pointing out Mpls' apparent thinking that we've lost all privacy and that the chip was no different. To me, its a VERY large leap. It, historically, may in fact be a very large leap. Yet, it's miniscule compared to what's to come.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) I just have one thing to ask you about YAS... If your theory that our eschewing of God is in parallel with the downfall of western/modern society is true... then what was up with the centuries of religiously motivated conflict throughout the world until the last couple centuries? Because right now, even if you count the current extremist actions of some muslims as religiously based (somewhat debateable), the number of people dying because of religions is still very, very small, compared to what it was. Seems to me that's a good thing. Wouldn't you agree? This isn't about religion. It's about God and his promises to the patriarch's ... and suddenly, I have a nagging suspician I got some names mixed up earlier .... Isaac, Isreal, Jacab ... not sure what at this point and I'm getting sleepy as can be ... but, anyway ... to the patriarch's, beginning with Abraham. The Catholic church has been, in the past, as evil and as radical as portions of Islam is today. History proves that. So, there is no way I'm taking the stance that the 'church' as it is historically referred to, has anything to do with God.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) So, you don't see a difference between people's addresses being available, and putting a permanent tracking device under your skin? Sure there's a difference. This is but a step in the process. It was an example to point out what's happening now that you don't even realize. The permanent tracking device is yet to come.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:00 PM) So, American citizens had to pay for Japanese citizens' sins because they were the same race? It seems like the people that are "paying the price" in all of those examples are the people who had already suffered the most. And, to be fair, isn't the retributive justice type theology much more Jewish than Christian? And, ultimately, what you say doesn't address your previous concern: if we were so Godly before prayer in school was removed, why did we commit so many atrocities when God was still part of American life? And I'd be interested to hear what the Jews, Gypsies, gays and intellectuals were "paying the price for" in the Holocaust. As well as what the Indians were paying for. God's will is unknown to us. However, God did promise Jacob (nee Isaac) that his seed would inherit the wealth and the gates of the world. Isaac passed that on to Joseph, who in turn passed it on to Ephriam and Manessah ... and we (the US) became the richest most powerful nation in the history of the world and England inherit the "gates of the world" promise as for a period of time, the sun never set on the British empire while they controlled "gates" like the Suez Canal and the Straights of Gibraltar (they still control Gibraltar). Whatever had to occur to make those promises come to fruition, occured (like Manifest Destiny). The Jews ... it could possibly be the crucifiction? The gays ... sinners in the eyes of God. That's a no brainer. The Gypsies, I have no clue. Hitler was an evil, demented piece of s***. Ask satan.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:52 PM) So, Gio was born in 1985, he'd be 41 in 2026, which means I believe you have him retiring at age 35? Yep. He was damn good before his arm went out.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) Why didn't faith keep us from the Civil War? Or the poverty in 1930s? Or the introduction of Birth Control (well before the 1960s)? And I can assure you abortions have been happening long before Roe vs Wade. Where was our faith when we were interring the Japanese in the Second world war? Or during all the lynchings during the reconstruction? Where was faith during the Jim Crow laws? Or when child labor was allowed? Or in the rampant discrimination of immigrants in the 19th and early 20th century? Where were our values when we exterminated the Indians? We're just more aware of all the crap stuff that happens now because that is what sells papers. The Civil War was God's way of b**** slapping us for allowing slavery and our policy toward Indians. What's birth control got to do with this? There were no LEGAL abortions happening before RvW and not anywhere near the numbers of abortions. Recontruction, and all that went wrong, was part of us still paying for our national sins. The internment of the Japanese was part of the price they had to pay for their national sins.

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:20 PM) I know that many of you are Gio fans and have followed him closely. I would like to know when he will be in the Sox rotation, when he will win 15 games and how long and successful his career will be. Anybody ? Pulling out my 2026 Baseball Yearbook (I'm a friend of Michael J. Fox) ... Gio Gonzalez is unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot after being the first pitcher win at least 30 games a year for 10 consecutive years while leading the Chicago White Sox on a dynasty of unprecedented proportions with 12 consective World Series championships. The Chicago Cubs bailed out in 2013 and moved to Memphis.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:39 PM) A cleaner environment, better access to schools, equality for all races and creeds, safer workplaces, better public health, universal immunizations (for example), better living for the aged, it isn't all bleak YAS. Just wait, Tex. Just you wait. As the great Merle Haggard said ... It's rolling down hill like snowball headed for hell.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:37 PM) Boras may be a jagoff, but the owners don't have to give his clients money. The rising price of FAs is on the shoulders of the owners not some super agent. When Boras pisses owners off with his methods, he's got them right where he wants them.

QUOTE(StatManDu @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:06 AM) journals.aol.com/dmarran359/Soxalmanac/ Twenty-six years ago today, general manager Roland Hemond pulled off another one of those quietly effective deals when snared switch-hitting second baseman Tony Bernazard from the Montreal Expos for erratic left-handed pitcher Rich “Tex” Wortham. Bernazard was a rock for the Sox, especially in 1982 when he hit .256 with 11 homers and 56 RBIs. Any chance the Sox had at winning the West that year ended when Bernazard suffered a season-ending leg injury Sept. 12 in Oakland. After playing 59 games in 1983, Bernazard was dealt to Seattle in a June 15 deadline deal in which the Sox got fellow second baseman Julio Cruz, who played an instrumental role in the team’s surge to the A.L. West title. It must have been crushing for Bernazard to watch his old team celebrate the division title on Sept. 17, 1983 when the Sox clinched with a 4-3 win over Seattle before 45,646 at ComiskeyPark. About eight years later, Bernazard was on the other side of another historic White Sox moment though he probably enjoyed this one a little more than he did in 1983. Bernazard went 1-for-2 off the bench in the Tigers’ 16-0 win over the White Sox in the first game at “new” ComiskeyParkApril 18, 1991. Bernazard also presented the ball that Frank Thomas hit for the first All-Star home run in White Sox history to the “Big Hurt” in 1995. The home runtraveled into the second deck and landed in the Players’ Association suite where Alex Fehr, the nine-year old nephew of union chief Donald Fehr caught the ball. White Sox Manager of Scoreboard Operations Jeff Szynal, who also serves as the team’s Hall of Fame curator, left his seat in the left field stands to retrieve the ball. Szynal and Bernazard, who was in the MLPA suite, took the ball to the American League clubhouse and gave it to Thomas. As for Wortham, he had one game left in his arm and it came in 1983 for Oakland. Wortham was one of those highly touted young Sox pitchers that never did s***.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:34 PM) Wow, so the Vietnam war was directly related to lack of prayer in schools? They didn't teach me that in Public schools! Bastards! Where's my fiber-optic Jesus? It's happening right before your eyes and you can't see it.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) Actually, I have heard/read several reports about Hunter not being close to the defender he once was because of that injury. Also, I don't think he always gets particularly great reads or jumps on the ball. He is great at going back on the ball or stealing home runs, but he doesn't strike me as someone who comes in on the ball particularly well or that takes great routes to the ball. I think he may get pumped up a little because of some of his highlight catches just like Aaron Rowand did. Some of the best CF's don't make a lot of highlight reel catches because they get to the ball so easily because of the routes they take. That's a desrpition of BA.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:06 PM) Nor should they. (unless Crede goes nuts this season at the plate, and stays healthy) Then you are talking Soriano money.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:38 AM) Ah yes, the days when you could call someone a n****r. We certainly have taken a big step backwards. We didn't have to hire someone if we didn't like their religion, color. We could keep our neighborhoods from changing. Damn liberals ruining America for the white folks. So what the f*** has happened to this country since June 1963 when the USSC ruled that God was no longer allowed in our schools. Within 6 months, Kennedy was murdered and Camelot came to a screeching halt. Soon to be followed by race riots ... another Kennedy murdered (Islam?) .... Dr. King murdered .... drugs .... sex ... Viet Nam escalating from an advisory level to a brutal war ... The disenfranchisement of the American public with US Military ... Kent State ... '68 Democratic convention ... The Watts riots... the sacrifice of our first born (yes, abortion ... except they don't reach the 'born' part of the equation) I know some of you folks don't believe in God. But this nation WAS founded Judeo-Christian fundamental law and morals. Removing God as the backbone of this nation has sent it on a one way downward spiral into the rhetorical septic tank. But, you guys go ahead and keep leading us down the sewer. I hope you enjoy the stench as it becomes unbearably oppresive. We ar so f***ed.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:19 AM) Not certain of the point. 50s - Donna Reed, "decent" music, etc. 60s - Rebellion, "pussy" etc. I'd say a late November day in 1963 would be a a good cut off point between Donna Reed and Rebellion.

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) I think we have an illusion of privacy that has no basis in fact. It's nice to cling to, but it's a bit unrealistic. As an example, here in Mpls. some moron was angry with his drug dealer, so he decided to shoot out car windows as he drove away. The police ran the plates and visited all the victimized car owners at work. How did the police know where the people worked? You don't put that info on your application for license plates. Ah ... The Grand Illusion.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 10:57 AM) I always thought of Camelot as after Kennedy took office, not in the 50's. Even I am not that old. Most people do see it that way. Whatever, the point was made.

I once won tickets to a Titans - Colts game. I have donated it back in subsequent years.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 10:01 AM) I'll be watching the Jack Van Impe Show this Sunday. Mock if you choose. Just watch for it. That's all I'm saying.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:47 AM) Enjoy it. Bet on it.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:53 AM) Yeah, I definitely saw Hunter on a daily basis, and he definitely was not below average. He wasn't GG worthy (though he did make one of the greatest catches of his career), but he wasn't "below average" defensively. Hunter was 'below average' when you compare him to 'average' for Hunter.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:47 AM) How ironic it's pussy liberals that fight to make certain the conservatives could use the word pussy. I know you non pussy conservatives yearn for the cold war days with Leave it to Beaver, no abortions, Christian prayer in schools, no interracial dating, wholesome entertainment on the radio. But those damn pussy liberals stopped all that. For the record, I respect most of the liberal-leaning folks around here. They are intelligent and insightful. They also seem to be unique in that regard. As for the 1950's - early 60's references you made, I believe that period in time in America is commonly refered to as "Camelot".

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:15 AM) If I have the time, I enjoy chatting with them as either the senile old fool who can't remember anything or the really bad comedian. For a while, my neighborhood was being constantly called for replacement windows. Those guys were such a pane! I could see right through their offer. All with loud, really obnoxious laughing. The senile old man works great also. That sounds interesting, yes I would be interested in that, it is an exciting offer, what flavor is that pudding again? I love tapioca pudding, but chocolate is nice too. Sometimes my mommy brings we chocolate pudding with whipped cream, do you like whipped cream? Every time I get a telemarketer call ... I rant and rave. Give them a good old fashioned cussin'. Get as vile and offensive as possible. Threaten their mothers and their daughters. Right after I hang up the phone.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:15 AM) No problem at all. But if I see a piece of eye candy, say a picture of Scarlett Johansson naked, I'll be enthralled for a few seconds. Not 2 hours. But then, I guess if she was in action for 2 hours... oh nevermind. you win. That's a first.