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QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Dec 11, 2006 -> 12:01 AM) http://newsbusters.org/node/9539 Its lines like these by REPORTERS that make one question the agendas in news. Yes, I know, I post things like this before. Sometimes I agree it is just laziness on the reporters part, but this? Come on, her bias is showing about as loud as that pink thing she is wearing. In all fairness, Bill O'Reilly use the Kool-Aid analogy quite regularly.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 10:12 PM) Okay. I'm happy to walk away. Good deal. Sometimes that's best.

QUOTE(striker62704 @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 10:03 PM) Javier Vazquez had a lower BAA, OBP and WHIP than Garland and has better stuff than Garland. I'm not saying we should get rid of Garland, I'm just saying that may be something they are considering when shopping their pitchers. Vazquez is a strikeout pitcher and that is sexy (Alot of baseball writers have used this term lately). Chicks dig the strike out?

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 09:57 PM) No, no I didn't. I never said that you know he's worth $15 mil (or something close, as I never set a firm limit at $15 mil) or that you know he's not. Maybe you don't know. Not that it matters. Keep in mind that the posting fee is not "paid", nor will it be until a contract is struck. It only becomes an obligation when the contract is signed, so the contract does not come "after the posting fee was paid." Whatever. This is getting ridiculous. I'm willing to bury the hatchet.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 09:55 PM) Rocky Colavito and Ken Boyer also played for the Sox in 1967. There are more also Ah yes. I forget about Kenny Boyer. We also had Tommie Davis, but I hate remembering that because it cost us Tommie Agee.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 06:34 PM) The politicians or the voters who reelect them? Yes.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) The piece mentioned Placido Polanco and Cary Schueler, but did not mention Polanco as another player drafted after Schueler's daughter that year. Another was Mario Valdez, who came up with the Sox and played briefly in the Majors with the Twins. Why the GM's daughter was selected before actual baseball players, I have no idea. I'm guessing the Sox didn't have much of a clue back then either. Schuler didn't have much of a clue.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 09:26 PM) Just wondering how many people here have a cap from another mlb team besides the Sox. I honestly think the last non Sox cap I've owned was a Cleveland Indians cap from when I was 9 and played on the Indians Little League Team. I don't own any non Sox MLB caps but I do have polo shirts of the Padres and Rangers. I try to pick up shirts when I visit a city that has a MLB team.

I don't think I saw Rocky Colavito mentioned. You can add him to the list.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 05:34 PM) No, I didn't. I'll say again, if you want to say Matsuzaka is not worth anything close to $15 mil per in this market, as you suggested in your question, then argue that. Otherwise, it'd be nice if had something to say. Cheers. Yes you did. I don't know if he's worth $15M or not. That's why I said it's hard to quantify. However, the Red Sox don't seem to think he's worth that. Keep in mind we are discussing a contract after the posting fee was paid.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) Oh, bs. I didn't put words in your mouth. You asked what guide to his value suggests that he's worth $15 mil per. I answered that every contract signed this offseason, along with the bidding just to talk to him, along with every report as to his potential, suggests that he would not get much less than $15 mil. Those are my guides, and that's what I said. I never said, 'oh, he's worth exactly $15 mil dollars per year for x years.' If you want to say that there's nothing to suggest that he's worth more than $8 mil per, fine, argue that. But this semantic bs gets tiresome. You turned my words around then said it was absurd. That bs gets tiresome.

What is it about those Louisiana Democtrats?

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 01:51 PM) Nope, the commish's opinion matters, too. Without a market we don't know market value. Obviously. But, c'mon, to say that there's no guide to his value is absurd. Multiple teams wanted to pay $20 mil+ just to talk to him. The Red Sox, the "opinion...that matters", valued him far more than those. How many teams would pay $20 mil just to bargain with Gil Meche? If you really believe that he would only get $7-8 mil on the fa market, you're wrong. If you ask for rock-solid proof, well, there's no proof that Mark Buehrle would get more than $500 k as a fa. Do you doubt that too? I didn't say there is no guide to his value. I said it's hard to qauntify. To put words in someone's mouth is absurd.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 01:04 PM) If they bid that much and refuse to give anything close to market value, the commish should invalidate the bid. Otherwise, the posting system is pretty much dead. Not to mention that it's a black eye for MLB. His market value is hard to quantify. It's a matter of opinion. The Red Sox opinion is the one that matters since it's their dollars.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 12:35 PM) Whatever made him worth $51 mil. I don't think there's any doubt he'd get something like $15 mil as a fa in this market. He's certainly not only getting Marquis money. Now, players may get less than fair market value because of the posting system. But not this much less -- it's ridiculous to ask someone to accept half their value just because you CHOSE to bid ludicrous amounts of money to talk. Would you advise your client to f himself over just to do the Red Sox a solid? By bidding that much, the worst that could happen if they don't sign him is they kept him away from the Yankees.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 12:22 PM) Whatever happened to... ...Twinkie the Kid? ...the Frito Bandito? ...Parker Lewis Can't Lose? ...the Idiot Box? What do you want to bet that the Frito Bandito was deemed politically incorrect?

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Here's the Herald article the ESPN article's referring to. Lots of vagueries, like and this odd criticism: Well...yeah. "Hinted"??? Those are just the rules. The article refers to the starting point in the negotiations (Sawks: $7-8 mil, Boras: $15), but says "It is unclear if counterproposals have been exchanged". Huh? That's kinda important. Very weird article -- it strongly blames Boras without any details. If I were Matsuzaka's agent, I'd be "disinterested" with a $7.5 mil offer, as well. And I'd be calling Selig... Why? This dude is unproven at the ML level. What makes him worth a $15M per multiyear deal?

Here's hoping, but it doesn't look good. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlines

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 11:34 AM) whatever happened to using green? It was so obvious.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 11:42 AM) http://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/585215/detail.html?dest=rss| So they get their $51 million back and offer Clemens $25M. No problem.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 11:25 AM) I see. Did that clear things up for you?

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 10:52 AM) This was a new rumor to me, so I thought I'd put it here for anyone who might not have had the time to read through all of the Garland to Houston rumor thread. Thanks iamshack. The fact that the Astros had the same interest for Javier Vazquez as Garland is news to me. Again this was deep in the Houston thread. Thanks EvilJester99. Mods, I hope it's not a problem that I add this info here. Those short on time may not be able to read all of the big treads and miss what I consider to be new information. I don't see a problem with it.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 02:37 AM) I'm totally doing this. just gotta decide which brick to get When you get that brick, hit yourself in the head a few times. Maybe it will knock some sense in to you.

Meiklejohn?

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