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A Willie Harris sighting: And Hermanson:

This is such a non-issue.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Dec 9, 2006 -> 09:09 AM) And Susie Snowflake! Here you go: I was wondering if anyone would know wtf I was talking about. And thanks for the link. Haven't seen that in years.

He said "staff", not "rotation". So, of course, you'd include them all.

What ever happened to Hardrock, Coco and Joe?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Dec 9, 2006 -> 06:29 AM) Yes, but where is the Fruit Brute?? With the Howling good taste of FROOOOT!!! Old Timers back me up here. There was a 4th branc in the General Mills Monster cereal lines, it was Fruit Brute, and the mascot was a werewolf. There was also one called Yummy Mummy that came out a lot later. No Joke I've been accused of making up multi-year stretches of false memories when I bring up things like this but it is true. Consider your post confirmed.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:34 PM) Here is what it would take to keep this team together, as far as I would guess for 2008 and 2009 (numbers in millions of dollars). Basically I am taking the contracts of this fall, and using those as a basis to guess where salaries will be in the years that these players don't have deals signed. Starting Pitching Buehrle- 17.0/17.0 Garcia- 14.0/14.0 Garland- 12.0/15.0 Vazquez- 12.0/14.0 Contreras- 10.0/10.0 totals 55.0/70.0 Just by my guesses, we would have $70 million dollars wrapped up in the old starting 5 by 2009. Now keep in my we would still have to give huge raises to Joe Crede (say 15.0) and Jermaine Dye (probably also in the 15.0 range)to keep them around, not to mention guys like Iguchi (probably at least 6.0-7.0, if not more), who is now making less the Mark DeRosa for perspectives sake. Even if you drop Garcia and add back McCarthy, Bmac would be hitting his first arb year in 2009, so his salary would be taking a nice jump, not to mention that a few of the main bullpen all hitting their late arbitration years, and seeing their numbers jump big time. To keep this team as is would take something in the area of $130 in 2008, and $150 million by 2009. This team is maxed out as far as revenue sources, because their park was pretty close to sold out this year, and they also didn't have all of the extra playoff revenues coming in, which was balanced out by the addition of a few higher price seats, a new sponsor, and higher comcastnet revenues. Pretty much unless you want to pay an extra 50% for your tickets, this team cannot pay the kind of salaries it would take to bring back all of these players. Facts, figures and common sense.... Bah! Where is the reactionary, off the cuff, EMOTIONAL side of this?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) I am not attacking this thread, but threads in the nature of the reactionary bulls*** due to reading a few Tribune paid writers and some shock jocks on the radio. These constant threads on how either A.) Reinsdorf is cheap(with a very large and expensive payroll) B.) The world is ending because we ditched a pitcher who had a mid 4 ERA and had a mid 80s fastball for most of the year whom gave up 32 dongs and are now including our number 1 pitching prospect that everyone has been clamoring for to jump into the rotation C.) Worry about similiar moves that will make us competitive for the next 4 to 5 years. These are all dumb threads. Reading a dumb article in a paper by a guy who gets paid by the cubs, and then repeating his "concerns" like a parrot is not original. His employer just paid a fortune for poo and crap and is calling it a number 2 starter. Now think about that for a second. What would you say, if we signed Ted "I am not all that good" Lilly and made him our number 2 starter for about 40 mill for 4 years. I dont think that the same people would be applauding and yelling words of encouragement to our management team. I dont want to overpay for Butter Parque, I dont want a number 1 starter of Felix Diaz in a few years because we let everyone of our starters go to FA without getting something back. And paying pitchers whom most of this board b****ed and moaned about how this guy isnt an ace, and how this guy is declining, a s***load is dumb. You know it would be nice if we had a young good rotation like the braves did, and spent our money smart on good position players. We are not the freakin Marlins but we are not the Yankees. We need to spend our money, and spend we do, on good decisions. People freaking b****ed in the first 2 months about all of the money we give Garland, and now the same people are b****ing that if we trade him we will never recover.

"Options" After three years as a pro, a player must be protected on a team's 40-man roster, or he is eligible for the Rule 5 draft (more on that later). Once he's served those three years, and assuming he is added to the 40-man roster, his club then has what are called "options" on him. When a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man Major League roster, he is on "optional assignment." One common misconception about the rules is that a player may only be "optioned out" three times. Actually, each player has three option years, and he can be sent up and down as many times as the club chooses within those three seasons. When you hear that a player is "out of options," that means he's been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he'll have to clear waivers (more on those below). Again .. this may be out of date due to the CBA.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 11:36 AM) Why does it feel like the unity and team spirit from 2005 has evaporated? We've got Ozzie's mouth running all last year, KW with his talk of ditching the starting five, JR taking a shot at MB, MB and that Cardinal crap... '05 seems a decade ago. I think the unity problem is with the fans, not the team.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) How many times have we been over this. THe white sox owners and what not dont see any $$ from anything in the organzation unless they would sell the team. There is no pocketing money, they own the team based on the number of shares they own. Which have a value but dont equate to real dollars unless they are sold. So believe me dumping salary and bringing in kids does not up the value of the owners stocks. And this has been talked about here over and over and over and over and over and over .... but some people are a little slow.

Sorry, but this thread is reactionary ... to say the least.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) I don't think being out of shape, which both he and his manager have pointed to as perhaps a reason for his freefall the 2nd half of 2006, is conducting business like a consummate professional. Wearing Cardinal gear to a MLB game and getting photographed wearing it, or declaring your desire to play for the Cardinals is not respectful to the team paying you. He has stated that the Cardinal crap would stop, but just about every offseason, it happens again. That is petty bulls***. You must live a charmed life if this is the kind of stuff that upsets you. I envy you.

QUOTE(philadelphia sox fan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) Ok. So would you want him in the pen if he is healthy, now that we've determined thats why he went down hill? I don't know if he'd be a fit with this team but on the surface, with a reasonable salary, I'd love to have Keith in the pen. He'd be a different look from all of our power arms in the pen now.

QUOTE(philadelphia sox fan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:09 AM) I'm saying when everything was going good, he had no problems. But when things turned south, he started to break down. And I'm saying that whatever caused things to turn south, Foulke did not falter due to pressure.

QUOTE(philadelphia sox fan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 09:02 AM) I believe he was under minimal pressure for his position that first year in 04, but once things started to unravel a little for him, he started feeling it from the fans, front office, teamates... whatever the case. If he leaves and starts over, he might become that dominate pitcher he once was. He signed a big dollar multiyear free agent contract and came to Boston and performed as a closer for a WS championship team. Sorry, but it's not a lack intestinal fortitude.

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 07:53 AM) tell me this, why in the world are the SOX considering moving Jon Garland? Several people around here say Garland is a 4.50 ERA pitcher. He has back to back 18 win seasons. Maybe the Sox agree with the 4.50 crowd and think Garland's value will never be higher because of those 18 win seasons.

QUOTE(philadelphia sox fan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:54 AM) But that was 2 years ago. Yes, but your post implied he couldn't handle the pressure at Fenway when he has in fact proven he can ... during a World Series yet. His problems haven't been due to pressure.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:43 AM) The White Sox have paid him more money than he will spend in a lifetime to play a game. They drafted him, they spent money developing him. The Cardinals had a lot of chances to draft Mark. They passed. If he wants to be a Cardinal fan, that's fine. But you should show some respect for your current employers. I don't think the CEO of McDonald's would wear a Burger King shirt out to the mall on a Saturday even if, as a kid, he was a huge fan of flame-broiled goodness. This Cardinals stuff has been going on for a while. You would think after the firestorm it always seems to start, Mark would have the common sense to put it away for a while. I think that during the period he still is collecting nice paychecks from the White Sox, at least publicly he should be a White Sox fan. Mark has performed as a comsumate professional for the Sox. He's shown the Sox and their fans nothing but respect. This is petty bulls***.

QUOTE(philadelphia sox fan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:52 AM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2690859 He isn't the same pitcher he was in Oakland, but with the Sox dealing starters like there's no tomorrow, a bullpen slot is bound to open up. Why not pick him up, see what he can still do without the pressure of Fenway? He did quite well in Fenway in '04.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 03:39 AM) It looks a lot like it, but what do they need? I'm not exactly sure. They do have a lot of nice little shiny things that would look good on the South Side. They need a thumper.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) Governor Bill Richardson: I'm Running. - Fox news. Update: The Richardson camp says that Fox made this up. Are you saying Fox made up his quotes? I find that highly unlikely.

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:05 AM) Why do we suddenly desperately need pitching? Just because we gave up Garcia and his 86MPH fast ball? Come on, you must be kidding man. Soxman - you can hate ARod all you want and you can wish he never becomes a WHite Sox. But your reasons for not wanting him or hating him are ALL WRONG. - He is selfish? Proven wrong given he gave up playing SS to play 3B so that Mr Ego Jeter could continue to screw his own team by playing SS, something he is not as good defensively as AROd ever would be. - He is not a winner since he has never won a WS? We have tons of players on our roster who were signed as FAs or traded for when they had never won a WS. And there are tons of those players on every roster on ever MLB team. Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, etc are just some of the great players who were once traded for or signed in FA by teams BEFORE any one of them ever won anything. - He called out Jeter? I asked you to prove it. I doubt he said anything resembling calling out his captain so prove it. - His presence is bad in the clubhouse? You are just dreaming up reasons to hate it. Without any facts/examples/evidence, you lose credibility with everything you say, however legit it may sound in the future. I think he's wearing blinders on this issue. You might as well just give it up.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:27 AM) You don't understand the love affair with McCarthy, yet somehow Floyd's addition makes him expendable? You do know Floyd has fared even worse than McCarthy, right? Even is Brandon (and likely an additional P prospect) were packaged to Tampa for Crawford, is it worth trading Garcia/McCarthy/Gonzalez all in one offseason for Floyd and Crawford? I wouldn't think so. It would effectively be Garcia/McCarthy for Floyd and Crawford, since Gio came over in the Garcia trade.