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That's strange ... I've been generalized on this board as being dumb because I live in a red state. Or as hillbilly because I live in a southern state. Where were you then?

LMAO ... Don't get me started!

This doesn't make sense. There has to be other motives. (Ain't I the conspiracy guy today? )

I must admit, I've never tied the whole package together in that way. You have a good a point. I'll have to think on that. Maybe "the Let's Roll gang" thwarted the plan.

Whatever and whereever I read this thing, after plane #1 hit the WTC ... we were close enough to get to the WTC before #2 hit. There are probably somewhat acceptable explanations for that though. However ..... the "plane" that hit the Pentagon went all the way to Ohio before turning around toward Washington. There is a USAF base right outside of Washington ... Ramstein? ... where Air Force One always lands ... why the hell were those pitots not scrambled after two planes hit the WTC? I knew it terrorists 3 seconds after plane number #2 hit the WTC. Yet, we have this nonresponsive plane heading toward the capitol of the United States and do not scrambled a local air farce base to at the bare minimum protect DC? They (our gov't) knew EXACTLY what, when, why and how everytjing was happening. Too many questions without logical answers. Wait! .... Someone's knocking on my door.

I'll try and find the picture with the PC monitor. No promises though. It's been a while since I saw it. I also saw pictures of the hole in the Pentagon, the dimensions of a jet super imposed over it. There was no way that plane could be turned to get into that hole without leaving debris outside. No way, no how. As for the footage ... they "release" footage but said they never captured the plane either approaching or hitting the building. Just the Pentagon with, then without an intact wall. I don't buy it. Not at the f***ing Pentagon. I think the WTC and Pentagon were symbolic choices. The financial and military centers of our nation. Overkill? Maybe ... but maybe not. I don't have all the answers. Just a whole helluva a lot of questions.

I'm gonna have to do some research. I recall reading where we actually had planes in the air, close enough to intercept number 2 at before it reached the WTC. I don't have a clue where I read that, though. I'll search while at work tonight.

I think he said something about scoring 4 times, 7 years ago. Is that what you are referring to?

Ok ... I'll take it a point at a time. 1st: No logical response on my part. I can't answer that. 2nd: A plane full of Jet fuel would have melted that PC monitor if it would have melted stell girders. 3rd: The hole in the Pentagon was smaller than a jet plane. 4th: I was talking about survailance films taken outside the building. None that were released to the press showed what actually hit the building. 5th: How much money is the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us making off the Afghan/Iraq wars? 6th: There were no wing sections outside the building. The hole in the building was not big enough to allow the wings to pass through it. Regardless of the upgrade, there is no explanation for that. I'm not trying to be difficult here. I just don't trust those SOB's. There is more going on than they telling the American people.

Are those people still missing? I don't know what happened to it/them ... I just know that hole in the Pentagon was not caused by a plane filled with jet fuel if the WTC was brought down by the same.

Something that would penetrate but did not have a wide wingspan (see the hole and lack of wreckage) ... I don't know. Maybe a missile? You tell me.

It wasn't a plane. Did you ever see any pieces of plane wreckage? The hole in the Pentagon was smaller than a plane. There is no surveillance film of the plane hitting the building. There is a picture showing the gaping hole in the Pentagon ... and there is a plastic computer moniter sitting on a filing cabinet next to the left side of the hole. Yet, we are supposed to believe that jet fuel caused the the WTC towers to fall (like a building being imploded for demolition, btw) by melting the steel girders?

Nice retort.

I've heard of MILF, but what's FMIL?

I agree. Shooting that plane down was the only option that made sense. What gets me is why the hell didn't the WTC plane get blasted from the sky? It's not like we didn't have time. The military was in stand down mode. They had to be. Especially referencing the "plane" that hit the Pentagon. Come on people ... we aren't that f***ing stupid.

The Dems weren't around in 1986? They've had the same opportunities to build their election coffers as the GOP. If they had "less money and less time" it's due to their own stupidity.

That too, is an undeniable fact. Point made.

Maybe ... Dole vs. Clinton sucked big time, too.

OK. Play that card. But there is a a very real thing in the US today known as reverse discrimination. It's an undeniable fact.

From Sept 12, 2001 through today, I've always felt Flight 93 was shot down by the USAF.

Whatever "caused" unions in this country is beside the point today. You can thank the unions for every benefit you receive today. Those benefits are slowly being whittled away, however. From Reagan and the air traffic controller strike, through the present, the unions have been losing ground. Unions did get too big and too powerful for a while (see Jimmy Hoffa), but the tide has turned in favor of management. It's time the pendulum starts to swing back the other way.

Total unadulterated bulls***. When I was in my 20's I had at least two different terminally ill cancer patients approach me wondering if I could get them some .... marijuana .... well, I'm 47 now and it's still off limits to them. They both told me it's the only thing that eases the pain enough to make life bearable. So, if you think this government is going to allow pharmaceutical use of ecstacy and not pot, well, think again.

But hey ... Bush won. What does that say about the alternative choice?

The point I was making was that Steinbrenner created an awful lot of that market they draw from by putting a winning team on the field... correction ... A championship team on the field.

I'm not sure of the numbers. I do know that they were reaching the end of their usefullness.