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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:53 PM) I still disagree and I know what you mean but like I said, we still don't know the extent of the harrassment. What if we find out tommorrow morning that his wife was being sexually abused? Would you're reactions change? Sexually abused? Yes my opinion would change, but there is no chance that is the case. I've seen enough tape to know there wasn't a gun or knife or rape going on. I will withhold some judgement until we know more, but barring some crazy turn of events, AD is wrong and deserves whatever punishment he gets.

BTW, several people have called the score saying the whole thing was started by AD's wife, for whatever that's worth.

Let me clarify here. If some guy was giving the wife s***, he should be thrown in jail. AD is also known as a good guy, and isnt' some thug. But, we can't have players just running into the stands!! For any reason!! Unless the guy pulled a knife on this woman (which he didn't) this can't happen. If players are going to run into the stands every time they have a family member getting some from an idiot fan, we will have players in the stands EVERY GAME. Does this situation suck? Yes, but AD was WAY OUT OF LINE to go into the stands like that.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:45 PM) Just out of curiosity, are you married? Why does that matter? It's family, obviously as the wife and mother, Antonio wants to defend her. But answer me this, should players run into the stands anytime their wife is getting s*** from some fan?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:43 PM) Are you serious. Ok, so it's martial law now. Anybody who's wife is getting s*** from some idiot, run into the stands to defend them!! Rules, security?? Doesn't matter!! Just run up there, whatever. I am done here, if you are going to defend a guy for running into the stands, I really don't understand wtf your thinking.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:39 PM) What the hell are you talking about? The man was protecting his wife! Players don't run into stands for no f***ing reason. And no, this is not the first time. Kobe's wife has been harrassed before. As has Jason Kidd's wife. Exactly!! If players are going to go into the stands everytime some idiot gives their wife s***, players will be in the stands every game!! I know he wants to defend his wife, but going into the stands?? Please....

Ok, but there will be a lot of players in the stands from now on!! Unless of course, this is the first time a road teams wife was getting s*** from some idiot during a game.....

Antonio Davis is done for 10 games, minimum. I don't care why, YOU DON'T GO INTO THE STANDS, PERIOD!

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 10:26 PM) Did you f***ing see the end of regulation Well Ben was the hot hand tonight, had to feed him the ball.

Thatta boy Ben.

BTW Soxfan1, I have a major crush on Kerry Sayers. Not really sure why I think she's a babe, but I do.

LOL, that's so Bulls. It's not even pissing me off anymore, I can only laugh at this s***. At least we get 2 lottery picks.

What a pillowfight. These 2 teams f***ing suck, but between the fight and ejections and AD losing his mind going into the stands to "protect his wife", it's sure entertaining!

NC State was better tonight, but it's almost impossible to win at Duke with the home cooking they get. You have to be about a dozen points better with the way the refs are to win at that place.

The ACC/Big Ten thing will never be easy to win, because the bottom of the Big 10 is SO AMAZINGLY BAD. Hence I expect a lot of 6-5 losses in that thing the next few years.

I'd be very surprised if Wisky wins tonight. But if they do, they are REALLY in the driver seat to win the league.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 03:06 PM) And in 2007 OSU is mentioned in just about every top 25 player's portfolio. Thad Matta is a great coach. But then again, im biased. Yeah, Thad is assembling quite the all star team of talent in Columbus. I doubt Oden is there more than a year or two, but everybody else is going to cause havoc in the league for the next several years. And he seems to be in the recruiting game long term, which is pretty scary. But looking at 2007, the Illini are in a lot of portfolios too. It seems Bruce has broken through a bit in the recruiting game, although obviously not at the level tOSU is at right now.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) I will agree on that, if that is still the case come this time next year. 2007 is a long way away. This time last year, the class rankings were ALOT different. True, but Eric Gordon isn't going anywhere in rankings, he's a legit blue chipper. As for Tisdale and Cole, their stocks are both rising as of now because of their potential, but of course that could change in a hurry.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) Whitesoxfan, How am I making a bad argument? In fact I will make it easy and break it down for you into simple categories an Illinois fan can understand. Football Arguments 1. Recruiting sites are not that great. 2. Zook is a good recruiter a bad coach Basketball Arguments 1. Recruitings sites are not that great. 2. 2007 is along way out to be putting a lot of hope in. 3. Oral commitment is not 100% gauranteed. 4. Weber has a lot to prove as a coach as 1 good year does not make a program. Now if you can find out how that is "Circular" or a bad argument go ahead. Im fair, I slam Alvarez, I slam Wisconsin players, I slam those who deserve it. I think Alvarez is one of the worst coaches in NCAA, but a good recruiter. Does that make me a rabid hater of Wisconsin? No it just means that Im not such a homer I cant be fair. You want to get a nonbiased fan, anyone thats not from U of I, to say my argument is nonsense, go ahead and I will stop. If you want an outline of my opinions on Illinois, here it is: Zook has a top 25 class coming in to a school that has SUCKED ASS for 4 years, so I think he can recruit big names. Beyond that, I don't know. In fact, I think he probably is a bad game coach, but at least he is getting talent to Champaign, and that's a start. Bruce's in game coaching has been proven to be exceptional, although nobody is arguing that. Bruce didn't recruit very well in terms of stars his first 2 classes, but seems to have gotten some players in Pruitt, Jamar, and even Chester (and CJ is redshirting). The class of 2006 has a top 40 player in Carlwell, and Semrau was top 30 until he fell to a 3 star mainly because he was played at the 3 in AAU ball even though he's a true 4. The class of 2007 is looking damn good. Could Bruce turn out to fail eventually? Possibly, but I doubt it. So I think the football program is still in deep poop, and the basketball program is in the best shape it has been in in AGES. Not sure how that is being a blind homer, but go ahead and rip those thoughts anyways. And for the record, as of now, Wisconsin probably has the best basketball/football program combo in the league, although that may change with "The Thad 5" arriving in Columbus next year.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:55 PM) I never said that. Im from chicago, I know its a good school, has had good basketball and sometimes good football all my life. The basketball program has brought positive attention to the state of illinois, and to the chicago area. Bruce Weber is a great coach and a good guy. All i said is that his recruiting skills arent elite, and I dont see them being as good in the future considering all the talent that other big then schools are getting lately. I know, sorry....that was more BadgerSox. I am trying to have 2 debates at once, and not doing well at it. I have little emotion about this in general, as results speak for itself. I am just confused here, will Bruce's class of 2007 not matter for a few years? Of course it won't, but at the same time, it shows he can get the big time recruits to come to Illinois. Now, plenty of big time recruits have busted, but I would think the class of 2007 proves he can at least GET big players.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) Ok, I think you have too many emotions riding in this argument being as this must be the school you currently attend, so I will just drop it. It would be impossible to keep debating this when there is so much bias. I think you are missing my point and I am missing yours apparently, so we can just call it that. My point is, what do you consider to be the basis of recruiting? Is it how highly players are ranked out of HS, or how they do in college? Because you can't truly evaluate a person's recruiting skills until you see how his recruits actually do, and with Bruce, we still don't know. His record at Illinois is pretty good though, and I wish people would give him a chance to suck before saying he can't recruit and can only get skinny white kids.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:51 PM) I hope that was never said. As far as the major sports overall, I would think Illinois wouldnt be in the top three in the big ten. Overall? Of course it's not, not even close. I'm just baffled at the attacks people put on the basketball program, and how it's turned into "Illinois is an embarassment, a bad school, has bad athletics, I can't be proud of it".

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:50 PM) If you are addressing me, please take the time out of your day to type, "Soxbadger" "Badger" "Stupid Wisconsin fan" I atleast take the time to address my arguments to the people they are intended to, it would be common courtesy if you could do the same. Also if you are going to start attacking people's grammar and intellect, I would say you are treading on some very thin ice. I didn't make any specific addresses because I have 2 people attacking me for not letting bad arguments reign. I'm also not sure where I attacked grammar or intellect, but I do apologize for not paying attention to spelling errors and grammar on a message board, I'll make sure to from now on.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 02:47 PM) I do not believe that im the one getting pissed, I was simply correcting your spelling. I have tried to keep this as friendly as possible as I do not care much about the subject in all honesty. So you name some players that are contributing, ok. That didnt answer the question, he has had 3 mediocre classes so far correct? If his next class is highly touted I will change my mind, but up to this point, he hasnt brought in one worth talking about. That makes no sense!! That's like saying Adam Morrison doens't count as a good recruit. Sure, he leads the nation in scoring, but he was only a 3 star!! Recruiting stars only matter until you show up on campus, then it's all about if you can play. Wisconsin basketball has never recruited 5 stars all that well, and they seem to do pretty well. Bruce seems to be trying to mix in star recruits and role players, and yet he can't recruit because when a player comes in and contributes, he didn't have enough stars next to his name in HS to be legit.

I attacked the person? Interesting, I must have missed that. Look, I'm not here to rip Illinois in all ways like you seem to be, I'm just saying it's circular to say a team will suck because they can't recruit 5 stars, but then say a great class doesn't matter since it won't make an impact for a few years. I am disappointed everybody here seems to take things so personal, I am simply pointing out dumb arguments. You may be wonderful people, but your arguments make no sense. If you want to say Illinois football sucks, fine it does. But don't tell me that the basketball team is heading down the s***ter because it's lost 2 tough road games and doesn't have a great recruiting class coming in next season, because that's senseless.