Princess Dye

Many thanks. I could hear the people with torches headed down my block.

i really cant wrap my mind around this one. He doesnt have a short quick swing, he doesnt take walks. He'll get from first to third but thats about all I can think. He wont steal bases.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:30 PM) It's not all about trade value. I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't think you are looking bigger picture. Here is an example. .296/.371/.471/.842 100R, 20 HR, 100 RBI, 22 SB. Those numbers get put up by a 2B or SS, he is a superstar. Instead, those numbers were put up by Bobby Abreu last season, and it got him a 1 year, 5 million dollar deal this offseason. even better! then it's a great value to keep him there and save some dough one day! but his future free agency totally aside, is it more valuable to us to have a player be a superstar, or to fill all the slots on the team. I would hate to bench Chris Getz and have a 4th OF type in LF, all because we wanted to maximize Becks' superstar value. There are a few superstar level guys in the last decade that changed positions for the good of the team. That has to always come first. Frighteningly, the argument you make would probably be the same line of logic used by A.Soriano when he was refusing to play i think LF a few yrs back. I think Soriano's an example where his team eventually was better served by him moving to OF. I dont think Becks will play defense as bad as him in the IF, but if Getz is solid then we may be faced with that decision.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) That's kind of contradictory - a premium bat at C or SS is like finding the holy grail. There's a big difference between Beckham being a serviceable SS and putting up quality production and Beckham just being a decent LF. The only one that wouldn't be a significant step down would be 2B. response to your edit: if his ceiling is being a solid defender at SS and being an .850-.900 OPS type player, that's one of the most sought after players in baseball. I'm probably misrepresenting what I mean. By all means Beckham has greater trade value if he stays as an SS here. But if youre fully stocked in the IF and have an opening in LF...... there are some players you would hesitate to move there. Beckham you wouldnt hesitate with because he's a good enough bat to be a corner outfielder and not have your organization lose a step. If Getz doesnt pan out, then by all means keep Becks in the IF. I mean we have all this young cheap talent, so we're set up for years potentially with young players here. A lot of guys who can play 2b/SS/3b. The decision may come down to just flat out evaluating how good a SS Alexei is. If Alexei is top flight at this position, you make moves to work around that. If Alexei is just OK, and is the only one who can play CF, then he moves there. I would have to believe though that we have a real (maybe leadoff) CF somehow in 2 yrs.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Why was Flowers acquired BearSox? Why was he the center piece of the Vazquez deal? Do you think he would have been the center piece of the deal if he was DH'ing most of the time in A ball? Or is it possible his value is highly increased because he has a strong bat at incredibly weak position across baseball? Right, but I think the difference is that Flowers projects to be a (maybe) good hitter for the catching spot, whereas Beckham many believe will be a top flight hitter regardless of position. If we're just talking purely about ceilings that is.

What would be verrry nice is for Allen and Viciedo to grab spots and then you have a very manageable payroll with which to go out and get veteran short term starters.

One thing I like about our current club's outlook is that we have several years of rights to young talent at some of the tougher positions to get thru free agency. We're set up nicely to have the tough spots locked up and the we can go out and get the Jermaine Dye type acquisition from 05, where you have a power guy perhaps going thru an off year and will come relatively cheaply. OF/1B/DH is always out there.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) Moving Beckham to the OF is going to severely diminish his value. His bat certainly doesn't project him being in the upper tier of OF's(corner OF's to boot). A lot of Beckham's appeal is his hitting ability a tough position to field. Unless yr talking about trade value, i dont get it. He sure as heck has a chance at being better with the bat than any OF in the organization, perhaps minus Quentin. I think the player's value is relative to the situation. Obviously if by 2010, Getz and Fields pan out, and AR has an amazing defensive year..... but we're stuck with a subpar corner outfielder.... then his greatest value comes in moving to fill the slot. EDIT: If we really want to break it down, lets analyze all the spots that are going to open up in 1-2 years. You're going to need a DH, 1B, a corner outfielder...you'll still likely need either a CF or IF, one of whom can leadoff. I would like to think we go out and get a free agent OF who locks the position down - a lot of money will have come off the books. But assuming one of Allen or Viciedo wont pan out, you have to think Beckham or AR will make sense as a move to OF. There's actually too much talent in IF as we stand. Low paid, long term talent too. In short I think we're gonna one day have two OF spots available. One hopefully will be a solid FA, the other could be an inhouse guy being shifted around. Possibly Becks or AR. Or Fields too.

I dont want to declare Beckham unable to do anything. But I get wary when I hear right out of college that he doesnt project as a good SS at the mlb level. I dont close the door obviously, but I dont just put him there solely because he's most comfortable there. Your people determine where he can have the most success foremost.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 12:19 PM) this is one of my favorite posts ever. i'm so glad i'm a fan of The 2009 Chicago White Sox Major League Athletic Baseball Team Though this one's intentional, it reminds me of when NFL players are unnecessarily wordy but dont realize it: "We feel our teammate Kyle Orton is very well prepared to play the quarterback position in the National Football League"

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 12:04 PM) If Getz is a real solid 2B, and Beckham tears it up at Birmingham this year at SS, I hope Alexei is the one that gets traded. You can't trade a guy like Beckham because not only is he possibly a great player, he's the type that could be the face of the franchise for the next decade. You can market Beckham a helluva lot more than Alexei Ramirez. Pujols and Vlad are not particularly marketable guys, I'd trade them away too. Payroll in the past has been independent of whether or not we had a big star personality on the team, so as long as that's up, I dont care. Gimme the best team. AR is more valuable here than in trade, especially with that contract.

it would be badass for beckham to stick with the 80

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 10:05 AM) If Alexi and Getz mesh this year and do their job, what happens to Beckham........ I say this because Getz could be the player they need and want at the top of the order and have been loking for, for some time. We fortunately have some flexibility to deal with this. Obviously Alexei has CF experience. However, there's always the possibility of Getz being shifted to 3b. Or Beckham. I think the time's going to come when it's Fields and Viciedo in the LF & DH slots, but obviously it's all in the future.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....nd-baseman.html well i got to be proud of my threadstarting for about 3 minutes Hopefully he follows the Joe Crede career path of playing 151 games as a 25 year old. And not the part of the career path where he takes 2.5 yrs to get comfortable thereafter.

I've seen all I have to see from Ben Broussard

Hoping this isnt another year of Thornton overuse

Fields homers

Hawk often talks about how unfamiliar he is with the NL in its present state But what I dont get is why someone who purports to greatly prefer DH-less baseball....doesnt watch DH-less baseball

Getz knocks him in 3-1

Wise legs out a double against LH pitching

I hope I'm wrong but I dont know if i'll ever get comfortable with Josh Fields

Offensive superstar Wilson Betemit coming up with bases loaded

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Mar 20, 2009 -> 04:20 PM) Geez... pissy much? Yea, i mean seriously how dare he take that tone with a figure as respectable as the texting driver.

The wind whispers Pods in CF You know you want eet

BA leading off is something I want to have a brief brief impact on my life. I want to look back on this as others mightve remembered w.sox shorts-wearing or Fisk in OF.