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QUOTE (ron883 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 10:33 PM) That makes it all the more depressing. First game of his career.... So sad. I feel awful for the kid. The way he tried to stand up and collapsed is the same thing I did. You literally have nothing connecting your quad muscle to your joint. There is no "there, there". You just collapse like an accordion. You try and move your leg and realize you cannot. Odd feeling.

I had his injury and it's a nightmare. Way worse than an ACL. Apparently his tendon was basically cut in half by the box. That's even worse than mine and he might never play high level baseball again. Most times you rip the tendon off the patella and the surgeons will repair it by drilling holes in the patella and attaching it using kevlar. You can recover and play high level sports again (Jimmy Graham) but it's a long ass road back. I am not sure how they even repair a tendon that is cut in the middle. The patella tendon is the 2nd largest tendon in your body after the achilles and is just as important.

Not much activity on twitter tonight. Only interesting thing I saw was someone claiming that the Orioles want to wrap this up by the end of the weekend.

QUOTE (Soha @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) It's not as unlikely as you make it seem, given the luxury cap, and how far under it the Sox are, and how those 2 teams are already skirting it. Yep.

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) Avi + Adams + Puckett Yes/No? f*** yea.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) https://mobile.twitter.com/masnRoch/status/...703697763110912 Makes me think teams are offering MLB players Avi and Anderson. Get it done Hahn.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) Wouldn’t holding onto Kahnle have given them just as good a shot at signing Machado after 2018 (at least they’d have a legit closer) than trying to convince him now? Next offseason, Hahn’s going to have to get all of those weak spots covered (similar to the strategy of signing Cabrera, LaRoche and Robertson) right on top of each other...before he can get a commitment from a legit Top 5-10 FA. Or Kopech, Jimenez, Moncada, etc., are all going to have to play like monsters and the real Rodon is going to need to show up finally. Too early to be drinking, even in China.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) Left out of a ton of this conversation is whether it is a good idea for the White Sox franchise to pursue a free agent like Machado, who is predicted to end up with a $300-400 million contract over 10+ years. We all would love to have Machado, but I really wonder if it is in the club's best interest to sign a player to mega money for 10+ years, full NTC, multiple opt outs, etc. It looks like a great idea now, but paying a player $30-40 million when he is over ago 30 might not look so good. Thoughts? If you're locking him up for 10 years 300+ million there's no opt out. It would probably be a dealbreaker for me. Having an opt out at say 28 would be brutal. He'd almost assuredly take it and would leave the Sox holding all the downside risk on the deal and none of the upside. These opt outs are poison pills.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) That’s the normal White Sox move. Bring in Donaldson or Turner a year or two late...stay out of the Arenado and Machado sweepstakes. Of course, Dunn and Robertson were big dollars at their respective positions, but not anywhere close to $300 million plus contracts. We shall see. JR signed Belle to the biggest contract in MLB history. He's not going to shy away from it if that's what it takes.

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:05 AM) Perks of having a loaded farm system. for sure. feels good man.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:10 PM) I wasn't being critical of the suggested acquisition. My comment was only meant to clarify what it would actually entail. it was a good point you made.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) More accurately; "You turned Adam Eaton and $300 + Million into Lopez, Machado and Dunning" Well, I don't think I've ever said this on a message board: but it's not my money. Getting Machado wrapped up for 300 million ($30m x 10, boom done) with this young core (minus Gio granted) would have be over the moon excited. Machado is a proven 5 war player. Yea there is some risk in signing him but it's one some team is going to take and if it's the Sox, well f*** me I love it.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:37 PM) https://twitter.com/georgeofman/status/941493980201660416 Ofman says no Gio or Kopech says "likely" which seems kinda a silly hedge to me if you're tweeting about it. Pick a side. I'd offer Gio. JR has blessed this move, and he wouldn't bless it if he didn't think they had a shot to resign him. Gio is worth a shot IMO. (You turned Adam Eaton into Lopez, Machado and Dunning!) And getting Machado is going to put some butts in the seats and eyes on the TVs.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:41 PM) Signature material. When the goal is to suck, Cody's your man -- his agent.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) BA had Kopech 32. Devers was 18. You aren't getting all three in a trade. Honestly, Kopech right now is probably worth more. Kopech is going to be ranked top 10 by every publication in spring and probably top 5 by a couple. He had an absolute ridiculous season relative to age and level and he put to bed any concern of not having the stamina or pedigree to start. He looks like an improved prospect from last offseason and that is saying quite a bit considering he didn't have that far to elevate. I would think long and hard about Kopech straight up for Devers. I'd probably pull the trigger just based on TINSNAPP but man I'd worry every single night laying in bed I traded Thor 2.0 for "just" a 5 WAR 3B.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:35 PM) If all you gave up was Sanchez, and he walks, and he's a 2 WAR player like he was last year, congratulations you've weakened your 2019 and 2020 roster by $15 million a year in value. You guys know how this works. If "a year to pitch to him" is what it takes and that works, great, but Rick Hahn would be gambling his 2019 roster's key addition on that year. If he loses that gamble, there should be consequences. I love Yolmer but if I hear we got Machada for Yolmer I'm going to be firing up a fat ass joint in Hahn's name. Is there anybody here that wouldn't take that deal? Hell, worst case you break off talks and flip him at the deadline for almost certainly more than Yolmer's value.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:28 PM) If they don't expect to be able to get an extension done, that's still 2 possible guys who could be contributors in 2019 for a guy who won't be. That's a move that makes us worse in 2019. Why make the team worse on paper in 2019 and 2020? If you know you have $1000 in the bank and a $900 rent check coming due, spending that $299 on a great TV is still a mistake. Because as the post right before yours explained: try and buy him for a dollar and sell him for two. Hahn is simply kicking the tires here. He'd be stupid/lazy and bad at his job if he didn't at least look into it. As for the TV analogy: I'd flip the TV for $600 tmr and double my money. That's what Hahn is trying to see if he can accomplish.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:23 PM) Agreed the problem lies is the O's aren't stupid they are going to want controllable players the very same players where you could use the cost savings to keep the payroll low and justify making a big offer to Machado. The other problem with Machado is it basically locks you into going for it this year. You can't trade Abreu. You can't trade Garcia. If someone comes at you large offer I want Hahn to be able to make deals. I don't want the club to be trapped because they traded for Machado hell I wouldn't want them to be trapped if they were a borderline WC team but I don't think anyone thinks even with Machado this team is anywhere close to a WC team. This would be a tremendously dumb trade regardless of the cost. I guess the only way it might make some sense if they bought him at dirt cheap like the Yankees did with Chapman and he didn't affect the direction of the offseason but I doubt the Orioles sell him for that they'd just keep him wait for the deadline or recoup the pick. if you get machado for Dunning and Yolmer there is nothing stupid about this trade. For all we know, that's what they offered and why Bob is now saying their offer wasn't that strong. I don't need a new TV that badly but if my neighbor has a sign outside his place that says he's selling a Sony 4K HDR Bravia 60" for $299 imma go check it out.

People losing their damn minds over rumors. Come on, what in the last 18 months makes you think NOW Hahn is impatient and wants to throw away all that hard work he did to go all in on a Machado trade? Have some faith, or a beer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) I haven't seen anyone say this yet so I will - if RH does trade for Machado and the player leaves as a free agent, that would count in my eyes as his 6th "fireable offense". That's how big of a mistake that would be. well sure but the worst case scenario isn't that, it's that they can't recoup at the deadline what they traded in the offseason. If Machado isn't signing there's zero chance they let him just walk. I mean, if Hahn trades Kopech and Eloy for Machado you fire him too, but that's not going to happen.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 06:07 PM) Machado hates Boston and would never sign with them. And what would they give up anyways? it would certainly be interesting to see those clubs do a deal after all the fighting they did on field last year.

Seems like the Sox could offer a package similar to something around Sanchez. Start with Dunning (or Gio/Lopez) and go from there. This guy Sanchez is a good prospect but he's not a top 20 guy or anything. More like a B+ type.

QUOTE (Saladino'sMustache @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:47 PM) Not saying this means anything, but 14 minutes ago Delmonico posted a picture on Instagram with Machado that was taken in 2010....https://www.instagram.com/p/BcsqSiMnlQJ/?taken-by=nickydelmonico interesting. It's some smoke.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:37 PM) @Buster_ESPN The Diamondbacks have checked in on Machado conversations. White Sox, Cardinals have best offers so far. How does it make any sense that the two best offers are Cards and Sox? Those clubs couldn't be further apart in their windows.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:06 PM) I think the White Sox are just playing Pricing Cop to make sure nobody gets him cheap. They're probably legitimately surprised that they're considered a high bidder. Well if they are just doing "due dilligence" and found their offer was pretty good maybe they should act on it.