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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) I suppose that's the thing about the word "discussed" instead of "included". Unless he comes with a guaranteed 5-7 year extension would you even trade Kopech for Machado straight up? I wouldn't.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Wrong you're fun. you'd think with 120 odd posts you could maybe add some context to some. Sorry, but there's no guarantee TA makes a smooth transition to CF. It's my opinion you know, but there's a reason you don't see the transition that often.

Ya know an infield of Yolmer, Machado, Moncada, Abreu gets me excited.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) I like this Dan Clark fellow: https://twitter.com/danclarksports/status/941155857022066688 lol, the aussie accent slays me.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) Dan Clark‏Verified account @DanClarkSports Offers on Manny Machado are so strong, the #Orioles may finalize a trade by week's end. #HotStove https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941392974151270400 Well things are heating up.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) Why wouldn't it Because the chances TA are a plus CF are less than that he's a plus SS, especially factoring in positional scarcity. If Machado is coming, TA should be going out imo.

"No timetable" is all I needed to here. FFS how encouraging can it be.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:13 PM) Another thing Rosenthal said is that Machado would play SS and the Sox would move Anderson to CF. Well that doesn't make much sense IMO.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) Remember when FO was a fool for not protecting Peter/Guerrero? :shrug: Seems they were right about that. It's a point for Hahn.

If he comes with a new deal attached or a heavy discount sign me up. If the Sox want to cash out on Anderson I'll miss the guy but it's not like his upside is that high. Anderson will always be maxed out as a 3-4 SS at best because of that walk rate and he'll probably settle in around a poor man's prime Alexie. That's not a piece you hoard when Machado is offered up.

Cubs just signed Smyly to a two year deal. He'll miss the season after electing to have Tommy John.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 11:17 PM) My question to you is if the process is so flawed how did he do soooo much better than anything he had previously done? I can understand the flawed process yielding incrementally better results but not to the extent that he blew previous numbers away. luck and better defense and running. Avi improved, but he improved into a 2 WAR starter. Not a 4 WAR star. There is like .0000001 chance he has a .397 BABIP next year. Regress that down to a still high .340 and suddenly he's a 2 WAR RF with a 270/330/450 line.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:30 PM) Market for #WhiteSox's Avisail Garcia is heating up, and Leury Garcia is appealing to some teams as well https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/940755173131079680 yea that headline has absolutely no backing from the text of the article. Typical Bruce. It has two quotes from Hahn and neither mentions Avi. If the market is "heating up" it's probably because it's the Winter Meetings and the stove is turned on for every club.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 42m42 minutes ago Stanton says he told Derek Jeter that he wanted to add pitching, and when Jeter said he wanted to subtract, he wanted out of Miami lol. You don't say...

Guess I better get out the green font.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) Yankees say no I'm just catching up on this thread, did someone really suggest Kopech? Come on man.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) When the new top 100 rankings come out sometime in January I fully expect Hansen to take a pretty significant leap. The stuff is there and the control is improving. Frazier is overrated, and unless he's a plus defensive center fielder I don't think the bat will stick at a corner. Power potential is great, but only if you make enough contact to use it. Fangraphs was really down on his 2017 performance, rating him below replacement level offsensively, and -5.8 defensively...which is cause for concern. Buyer beware. Rutherford for Frazier, who says no!

Just :djuhohgif: at the Mariners.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) The same could have been said for Abreu last year. Hitters hit. until they don't?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) If we are talking something in the 75 to 90 million range, I would. I'd think he'd ask for at least 5 years 90 million. At least.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) Why would he want to sign onto that deal? His advisors would basically say “Jose, the risk you avoid by signing this is absolutely minimal. There is very little upside to you signing a 4 year extension at the juncture.” He’s basically saying he’s concerned he won’t be able to sign a two year deal when his contract with us runs out? well said unless he just absolutely loves the Sox and ignors his agent's good advice there's no way he's signing a 4 year extension. That would not be in his long term financial interests.

I really don't think the options are "trade him now or sign him now". I think this might be a good time to wait on more data. More data about the 2018 club and more data on how Jose is going to age. Of course, if you get bowled over in an offer do the deal. Steven89 makes a good point: I think Jose wants his next deal to be his last. I don't think he's going to settle for a 5 year extension. I'm thinking he wants at least 6 and probably some vesting and mutual options as well. Maybe even a damn opt out. There's a lot of moving parts here. Hopefully Hahn can figure it out.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) Mariners and Angels both make trades. M's are at $2.55 mill and Angels at $2.315m. ha, this is such a farce really. Clubs should be forced to pay much more for him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) Risk? For the amount of money we are talking about the word risk really doesn't apply. Top end we are talking about $3 million, plus the $20 million posting fee. They have zero contractual obligation or dollar lock in to him past that. For perspective sake, we are talking about half of the total outlay of what we spent on a Luis Robert who is four years younger, with much larger questions. Yea bad word choice. I meant the risk in the hypothetical trades that were all over twitter last night. My bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) Jeff Zimmerman‏ @jeffwzimmerman 4h4 hours ago On Shohei Ohtani, @jimcallisMLB reports grades of "80 raw power, 65 speed, 80 arm, [and] 50 hit," in a @mike_petriello article: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262918098/shohei-ohtani-tracking-data-backs-up-hype/ …://http://m.mlb.com/news/article/26291...acks-up-hype/ …://http://m.mlb.com/news/article/26291...acks-up-hype/ … People on twitter last night were saying Eloy and Kopech straight up for him might not even get the job done. I think he's a bigger risk than people are acknowledging. The culture shock element can't be ignored imo. Ichiro had a singular focus and a great, winning personality in addition to his talents, we'll see if Ohtani is similar.