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QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:15 PM) Is there any precedent made for trading for long-term injured prospects? I'd love Dustin Fowler f*** no. That is an injury he's going to have a hard time coming back from given his entire game is predicated on speed. As a throw in sure, as a main piece f*** no. Fully torn patella tendon is a bad, bad injury. I should know, I had two and dedicated a large chunk of my life to learning about it and what pro athletes have been able to recovery from it. The list is not long.

Even if this deal doesn't go down tonight it sure seems like good news that a bidding war has started.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:57 PM) Probably a pipe dream, but I'd gladly trade all 3 for Torres. Keep smoking, and keep hope alive.

If Hahn somehow scurries up another great deal by starting a bidding war for Todd Frazier...that's going to be epic.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:40 PM) Could be that a deal is close, and the Sox do not want to run the risk of him getting injured. There is definitely something up. You don't just scratched a player last minute unless there is an injury or trade in the works (or you cut up your jerseys), and Frazier does not appear to be injured. lol, this will never get old. I love Sale but that is a classic meme for all time.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:28 PM) Would be funny if it was the Yanks trading for Frazier and DRob. I do wonder if there was a last second "can you top this" text from Hann to some other GMs.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:26 PM) Yeah, I'm an idiot, just wishing Robertson being in the dugout to start the game actually meant something. Oh no worries you hardly even notice it at the games, let alone on TV.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) Yes. Sometimes a few of them will start down there on a "throwing day" when they know they don't have to work, but you will often see the bullpen crew walk down to the pen and begin getting loose in the middle innings. Right when you're at the game usually in the like the 3rd or 4th they will head down to the bullpen in a pack. The year Sale was a rookie he had to make the walk in a pink hello kitty backpack in Baltimore at a game I attended.

Boston twitter is freaking out about the potential package they are sending, hahahahaha. Good. Sit and stew.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) Real news Jon Heyman@JonHeyman 7:10 PM chisox are indeed in talks with red sox on frazier. he appears to be their top choice. not known to be done, but could happen fairly soon. no news.

If I'm Hahn, DD is my best friend. Dude is not shy about emptying his system. He seems almost eager to do it.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:48 PM) Martinez >>>> Frazier Not really. Todd actually has the same amount of fWAR the last two seasons. JD can't stay healthy. He's a better hitter, but Todd plays a premium position.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:46 PM) Don't get me wrong, he should be traded no matter what, but after looking at the JD Martinez trade I'm not all that optimistic what the package will be. I'll be surprised if we get any of their top 15 prospects hahn >>>>> avila

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:44 PM) So we're playing 23 on 25 against Kershaw? This...may not end well.... I'm actually fairly surprised how absolutely thorough the Sox have been about trying to lose as many games as possible. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if even the bunts are part of it. They have basically done everything possible to lose by not bringing up prospects, making Rodon the 5th starter, being incredibly careful with any injury, etc. It's working!

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) Todd Frazier is a healthy scratch Something's up.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:24 PM) Wow what a buzzkill haha. Wasn't there a "clerical error" that led to Moncada being listed on the active roster last weak? Get your tinfoil hats out with this stuff.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:15 PM) #4 prospect in a system without a top 100 guy...honestly that sounds about right to me. Sickels has Lugo as a B- and the other guy as a D and the other guy unrated. I guess not awful, but as someone said maybe you just take the comp pick you should be able to find a B or B+ guy there, maybe even more.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:51 PM) Meanwhile the Tigers got hosed in their deal. We'll see how that deal ends up. The Tigers seem to have gotten three fringe prospects back for JD, they couldn't do any better than that?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) Melky is a one dimensional player, with that one dimension being his hit tool. He is not the worst defender, but he is not good. His arm is not a liability, but it's not a strength. He has a bit of power, but he's not a 20 homer guy. He is not the slowest guy, but there's a reason he doesn't have a stolen base this year. Thus, given all of those attributes, Melky Cabrera rates as a slightly above average player, currently on pace for just under 1.0 WAR for the season. Thus, teams in contention will be looking for other alternatives in the meantime, using Melky as a fall back option. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Sox have a couple packages lined up with teams for Melky, but Rick Hahn is letting them do their due diligence in seeing if they can't find someone better. Hahn isn't dumb and he knows what Melky Cabrera is. C Melky will move, and I think he'll move before the deadline, and he'll be moved for a guy we probably haven't heard much of. Good post but he is slightly above replacement, not slightly above average. Todd is slightly above average. So is Jose. Average is good. If the Sox had more average players the last decade they win quite a bit more.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 11:57 PM) Nobody is taking Shields and his contract. Pelfrey is chum Holland has been awful since mid May. Gonzo might work for a team that is desperate. I think they're just babying Rodon. You a poet and thou don't even know it

QUOTE (FLsouthsider @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) Is it possible that Courtney Hawkins learned how to hit in the last week? sure, it's also possible I win the lotto.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 05:00 PM) That's a good point, but my question relates more to the margin between this offer and others. I'd really hate Q giving the Cubs a whole lot more market share over the next three years because of Bryant Flete, who will probably never make it to MLB, for example. You can choose to believe him if you want (and I see no reason not to) but Hahn said point blank "it was by far the best offer". I'm guessing that means that probably nobody else was offering two top 100 guys, and that nobody else was including a top #5ish stud like Eloy if they were.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) No need to resort to personal jabs like calling me irrational and hateful just to disagree or make a contrary point while claiming that everyone agrees with you. Listen man, I feel no differently than countless true White Sox fans about this trade, and I know *a lot* of them. But I understand how cub fans are ecstatic about this and others who do not feel invested in one of baseball's biggest rivalries or perhaps are unfamiliar with the history of the two franchises and their fan bases may not fully understand it or care about it. "“I think we are back,” Contreras said after the Cubs completed their three-game throttling with an 8-0 victory Sunday. “Back to where we were last year. I hope we can be like this for a lot of games.” Club president Theo Epstein delivered them another ace in lefty Jose Quintana — a blockbuster deal with the crosstown White Sox that came with more than a subtle kick in the rear urging the boys to kick it into gear. The message, it seems, was received. On Sunday, Quintana took the ball for the first time as a Cub and validated Epstein’s gamble: Seven shutout innings, just three hits allowed and 12 strikeouts — tying a franchise record for a pitcher in his debut. “I’m really happy to be here,” Quintana said with the relief of a man transported from last place in the AL Central and a life of perpetually poor run support.Yet, he’s probably not as happy as his new teammates. Had the Cubs played much worse in the first half, Epstein and Co. might have had to ponder selling assets, rather than adding. Instead, they plucked the gem of this deadline before the market even opened. Quintana has pitched into at least the seventh inning in 51% of his starts since 2015. He’s pitched between 200 and 208 innings the past four seasons, precisely the reliable salve the Cubs rotation needed. And he’s under club control at between $8.5 million and $10.5 million per year potentially through 2020. It’s impossible to quantify if the Cubs’ enhanced self-esteem this weekend was more the intangible boost from the front office, or facing Baltimore’s major league-worst pitching staff. It’s not surprising which narrative the Cubs prefer. “It gives us that extra confidence,” says reigning NL MVP Kris Bryant, who hit his 19th homer among three hits Sunday. “We have a lot of the same core that we had last year, and we won the whole thing. To add him for an extra three years, too — I think it’s a great move.“I think our offense came alive here. Obviously, Jose did an unbelievable job. Today was a great day for us feeling good about ourselves.” In fact, it’s almost impossible to find a Cub who isn’t trending upward. So, he dominated, spiking his curveball for swinging strikeouts early in the game, leaning on his fastball and changeup late. He finished with a flourish, striking out Mark Trumbo looking and inducing a double-play grounder from Chris Davis to end the seventh, greeted with a high-five from Maddon upon reaching the dugout. “He knew he had done well,” says Maddon. “He’s a low-key fellow, but his method is outstanding. “From his perspective, coming over from the White Sox to the Cubs in the middle of the season, There’s got to be something going on in there. And he handled it extremely well.” Link Edited to add link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2017/...6987316c62215a5 one of baseball's biggest rivalries? Maybe among a certain subset of meatball fans on both sides. Seriously, the Cubs aren't even in the the f***ing AL. At best you play them a couple times every year and then in the WS. And the article you linked is just classic "well I gotta write something with a narrative arc" filler. Personally I'm thrilled for Q. I'm happy he's finally going to get more attention, and perhaps some wins as well. I couldn't give a f*** less about how he helps the Cubs. The Sox just got perhaps the best pure hitting prospect in MLB back and a guy that throws 101 and it projects as his 2nd best pitch for him. We got as well as we gave. I understand that LIVING in Chicago might make it SEEM like the Cubs and Sox are big rivals but they aren't, not in any sense on the field anyways.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) It has been hard for Epstein and cub fans to wipe the smirks off their faces since Quintana's start. Helping the cubs to another Word Series was not what most White Sox fans wanted Hahn to do with Quintana. He had other choices. I wanted the best deal for the Sox,and they got it.

I am giddy thinking of all the walks Eloy and Moncada are going to take over the next decade on the south side. These are not your typical WS tools only prospects.