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Haha, Cubs are going to regret passing on Jackson.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:32 PM) This is one of those moves that even if Rodon is a complete bust, no one should complain about the Sox drafting him. It's 100% the right move. For sure.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:30 PM) Has a team ever succeeded with 4 lefty starters? Better question, has a team with a decent offense and a 1,2,3 as good as Sale, Q, and Rodon (could be) ever failed? I mean that's like Braves 90's all over again dominant front line staff.

Seems like the draft never really works out how we Sox fans want it, well it f***ing worked out this year we'll see if it pans out!

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:23 PM) Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 2m Carlos Rodon was the absolute unquestioned No. 1 overall pick coming into the season. He still wants 1-1 money. This could get fascinating. People are stuck in the past. He has no leverage.

Yes!!!!!

IT HAPPENED HE'S OURS!!!!! WELCOME RODON!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:07 PM) Yup. I'm just waiting for someone to come in and bug me right when the Sox are on the clock. Ha, I own a computer shop, today has been absolute hell, lotta tough driver installs just finally finished a couple up in perfect timing for Sox' pick. Hopefully no customers walk in when they are making the pick!

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:48 PM) Kolek won't be ready for 3-4 years. We have no idea what our rotation looks like then. Well Q and Sale are both locked up for the next 5+ years, so barring massive, career threatening injuries, both should be there and still in their prime.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) Yes! Im totally on the fence when trying to choose between Rodon, Nola or Kolek. f*** it, just draft Jackson. I will be thrilled with Aiken, very happy with Jackson or Rodon, and happy with Nola or Kolek. Not really any outcome where they aren't getting a very good prospect but some are a little more exciting than others.

Maybe Houston will do something nobody sees coming and take Jackson, leaving Chicago one of Aiken or Rodon, now that would be great.

good, fat pitchers are more fun and usually they are effective.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:06 PM) I just find it so bizarre that 4 hrs before the draft the consensus on Kolek's secondary stuff is below average when all I'm hearing before was that it was rarely used but above average. Sox are engaging in a game of espionage trying to devalue him so when they pick him they can save 10% and use it later to grab someone that fell a bit with their 2nd pick.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 04:53 PM) 30 hookers and a bag of Colombian cocaine Wilder back in baseball?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 04:23 PM) Apparently stats don't matter though. Nola's numbers are better than Rodons. True, and I won't hate it if the Sox draft him, but I'd prefer one of the other 3.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) There is no ace to pair with Sale in the draft. Its not like the other drafts where you have a pretty good idea of what you are getting, none of the top 5 pitchers in this draft are even guarantees to remain as starters. Yea I'm not seeing that. Aiken and Rodon and Kolek are widely considered potential aces. Rodon's stats in college compare well with Strasburgs.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) I think Nola is the safe pick at 3, but is anyone concerned with his durability? He's not a real big guy (Chris Sale is at least tall, Nola's 6'1) and his arm angle and mechanics seem iffy to me. Screw the "safe" pick we need another ace to pair with Sale, if the Sox can get an ace there they have to try imo. You get two aces, suddenly playoff series' become a lot more winnable.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) The only reason they are being talked about above Jackson though is because the Cubs want someone they can make a deal with and that has a relatively low floor. Jackson is the consensus top bat in the class, but odds are he is not offering any discounts. Right, talent wise it's Jackson > the rest of the position players. I've seen his bat compared to Harper, maybe not quite the raw power, but similar players and similar tools.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) He's my #1 now. I liked him before but he's Coop's pick, so I go with Coop. If Aiken and Rodon are off the board do you prefer Kolek, Nola or Jackson? I'd probably go with Jackson at that point. The highest rated position player in any given draft is almost always at least a MLB player.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd 23s Make sure you're sitting down but there's a lot of industry chatter that Jeff Loria is meddling in the draft room and will dictate the pick. Good, let them do something silly and Rodon falls to us.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) He really likes Hahn and what he's done. It's hard not to. If Garcia wasn't injured and was hitting like 280/320/450 a lot of people would probably be talking about on of the best single offseasons in Sox history given the amount of money they didn't spend and how improved the team is. Granted Garcia came over before the offseason but that's semantics as they were in full rebuild mode by June last year.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) Yes, please. Though if Nola is the pick, you probably want a HS school with more upside in round 2. What is the deal with Nola is his ceiling like a 3rd starter (2-4 WAR) and his floor is like a 4th (1-3 WAR)? If one of the big three is on the board I have a hard time seeing Chicago taking him seeing how rare true aces are coupled with that fact that Chicago has a few low floor 3rd to 4th starter types already in the system.

Seems like Law is starting to praise the Sox more and more in his comments. Kiss of death!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) Also from Law chat Honestly I'm more worried about his arm falling off then anything related to his being "fat". Fat pitchers are fine, just don't tell me his elbow is gonna break from throwing 95+ all the time.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) It's possible, but it's extremely risky given the rigidity of the draft rules now. When Crow did it, it was essentially still an open market. For Rodon to ultimate push his sign date back two years is to hope to avoid injury and maintain velocity just to enter the draft at age 24, having lost all semblance of leverage, all for the ultimate upside of less than $2m of slot bonus from 3 to 1. Realistically, even in the very remote scenario where everything in the world goes right for him and he gets popped #1 at 24 in 2016, the team that picks him is going to get him for underslot anyway, because wtf else is he going to do at that point? Meanwhile, he would probably be accruing service time in the Majors by then if he'd just taken his $5m in 2014. The Sox are well positioned because of Sale/Cooper and their general success with developing pitchers to tell Boras and Rodon: "Ok you can not sign with us and go back to college or try some crazy Indy league, or you can sign with us for slot, work your ass off, and be on the Chris Sale plan. You'll be accruing service time by this time next year, so sign".