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QUOTE (StRoostifer @ May 23, 2015 -> 08:48 AM) With Guerrero dominating Kanny, I wonder if the Sox would skip Winston and send Guerrero to Birmingham. Is Winston that big of a jump from Kanny? Didn't we have the discussion about it being a really big jump when Hawkins struggled there last year?

QUOTE (MIZ-SOX @ May 23, 2015 -> 01:39 AM) The White Sox aren't going anywhere. They have a newish stadium in the third largest market in the league. Even with trash attendance, they're the 16th most valuable franchise in the MLB, up 40% from last year. Attendance just doesn't have nearly as big of an impact on the bottom line as it used to, which is definitely a good thing for JR. FWIW, this stadium is approaching 25 years old. That puts it in the 10 oldest ballparks in the league, plus a lot of the older ones (Fenway, Wrigley, Angels, Kaufmann) have undergone major makeovers. If you drop those out since they kind of became new-ish stadiums, only really Dodgers Stadium, the Oakland Coliseum, Rogers Center, and Tropicana field are genuinely older.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 23, 2015 -> 12:11 AM) You are wrong again. Really? Tell me which of those numbers is incorrect?

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ May 23, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) No Monday after walking (non swing) in the ninth inning he got to first and asked out. If your leg is so sore you need to ask out of a game you shouldn't be playing in another 18 hours later.

woo

ok lets get past mauer then call this.

please no dp

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 22, 2015 -> 10:20 PM) Honestly surprised to see Huckabee come out in defense of professional anti-gun bigot and incestuous child molester Josh Duggar and his "19 kids and counting" parents who helped cover it up for years. Are there any Christian groups who speak out about sex who aren't also molesting kids? Stereotypes proven accurate this week: all Christians who speak out on sex are actually molesting someone and all white southerners with guns will start gigantic gunfights.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 22, 2015 -> 10:15 PM) Fred is the model human being. Plz take care of him. Just don't let him be VDN. Please.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 22, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) Sanchez has been great on defense, but his offense has been worse than anyone could have anticipated. It will be interesting to see if Beckham or Bonifacio get a chance to start consecutive games at 2nd while the rest of the offense is struggling. Ugh IF we're going to keep calling these guys up they should play until we can't tolerate them any more. Anyway, it's not like Bonifacio has been all that much better. Plus, Bonifacio should still be the guy who takes LaRoche's spot against lefties, but then we know that won't happen because .500 OPS guys are ok when they're LaRoche against lefties.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 22, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) Guess what iinning I went and had a few beers after Im trying to drink my way thru Hoiberg leaving

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 22, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) Why does Jeff suck so much early in the game? Has he always been like this? ERA by inning career: 4.04 3.27 3.03 5.17 5.08 3.82 3.23 3.51 3.57 3.86 He has been slightly worse in the first than in the following innings career but not a strong trend. Last year his 1st inning era was 2.73.

Well I guess the good news is Gameday froze so I didn't know immediately.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 22, 2015 -> 06:36 PM) Beck is starting tonight. I bet anything he'll be the 26th man next Thursday and get a start. I'd totally bet he gets called up but Rodon gets the start.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 22, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) From 2005-2010 White Sox won at least 88 games 4 times. After 2006, attendance went down every season. From 2006-2015 the White Sox are 736-760 with 1 wild card birth.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 22, 2015 -> 08:01 PM) He should have sat the day after he asked out. Common sense. I agree, said so at the time, and now emit a loud "sigh" aimed at the person making the lineups who didn't do that.

Actually wait a second, the double header is next week right? So if Rodon is skipped on Monday, he's on extra rest when the DH happens, and they can use their top-6 starters next week with the guy they call up in the bullpen rather than doing an emergency start? That actually...kinda would make some sense. Save Rodon for the DH in Baltimore, start Noesi beforehand and then you aren't forced into a situation where Beck *must* take a start.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 22, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) Makes sense, we all knew this would be happening during the year. Better than just shutting him down in August Seems surprisingly fast. In the bullpen for a couple weeks, gets like 5 innings, gets 3 starts, goes long in 2 of them and short in the middle one, and then skipped. 3 starts then a skip is surprisingly fast to me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) Even before that, fans were going to games in Boston. Long before they made three straight playoff appearances, fans were going to games. In 1997 we were 350000 tickets behind them with neither team making the playoffs. In 1998, we finished under .500, they made the playoffs, and we were 1 million tickets behind them. In 1999, the Kids can Play, we were a million tickets behind them again. In 2000, we won that division, they missed the playoffs, and the gap narrowed to 600k. How about we just try winning for a few years and see if it works? I promise to apologize if it doesn't, fair deal? We've done the 7 years without a playoff appearance experiment and it seems to be doing a poor job of filling the ballpark.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) Yet Fenway is still sold out almost every single night, and at prices that dwarf ours. The Red Sox get to drop an incredible number of dollars on Yoan Moncada, while we stress about going a bit over slot on Carlos Rodon. THAT is the difference. It is why the Red Sox get to go out and buy a new team, while we have to fret about every signing. And how exactly did they get there? They put winning teams on the field with payrolls that were in the top 5-10, the range we were in from 2008-2011, and the end result was that they packed the ballpark and were able to grow that revenue base into one of the top in baseball. We had top 10 payrolls for 5 of 6 years, every year from 2006-2011 except 2009, and we wound up with 1 wild card birth to show for it. During the years the Red Sox moved from having a payroll around #10 to #2-3, they never fielded a sub .500 team. They earned that full ballpark. We earned our half empty one.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:34 PM) But why do they show up in Boston, but not the south side of Chicago? If you think the team is so rotten, why do you and anyone else who constantly rips anything they see, continue to spend so many hours with it? I would think there would be something more productive in your life than spending so much time with something that does nothing but bother you. Unless it makes you feel superior thinking you have all of the answers after the White Sox fail. I do notice there are several posters here that during games the Sox are winning are usually too busy to be posting, but the minute something goes wrong....they can throw up multiple posts and stay on for hours. Maybe some people just like being miserable. Welcome to the world of being a fan of a mediocre franchise. You can't look away, and you hope that at some point you'll be rewarded with a bit of success.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) I will admit, my opinion on this has completely changed over the last 10-15 years. I bought into the idea that if the Sox could only win the World Series, it would change everything in Chicago. I wasn't much of a fan of ownership, especially in the wake of the meltdown that the Bulls saw over Jordan vs Krause vs Jackson.. Then 2005 happened. The bandwagon filled up, just like I expected it to. Then Sox fans reactions to 2006 to 2008 flew in the face of everything that they used to say about them needing a winner, and so on. 2012 we were in first place for all but the last week of the season. Still no one showed up. Then the the narrative changed from just having a good team, or a playoff team, to a team that has to win all of the time for people to show up. Over that decade the other narratives changed as well. At one point it was the neighborhood, or nightlife, or parking, the angles of the upper deck, or even the colors of the seats. In general Sox fans don't show up unless something extra-special is going on, and they get incredibly defensive if you don't accept all of the excuses that they offer. I don't get why it is some sort of insult to draw this conclusion from the obvious history sitting right in front of us. Sox fans are a bandwagon bunch as a whole. Basically I think you're making an argument that the team needs to be moved.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) I am seeing this as well and while I have put no effort into discovering, is there an untold racial component to this story? They were predominantly white, but if you compare the opening of this thread to the opening of the Baltimore thread there is no commentary on how these people demonstrate that white people are uncivilized or how white people are playing into the stereotype of them being excessively violent. Basically a riot is a statement on African Americans but a brawl and shootout involving dozens, hundreds of people does not reflect at all on the race of the people who did that. There are also some images which highlight the contrast of lots of people calmly sitting around in handcuffs held by police afterwards compared with how people picked up in Baltimore were treated.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:23 PM) The attempted arrest of the Branch Davidians / David Koresh You'd describe this shootout as a "Legal operation"?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:23 PM) So your point is it is OK to whine and moan about anything and everything because Boston fans do. Good for you, but it would be nice if there was some common sense used at least once in a while. No, my point is that a fanbase which fills a park constantly every single game can still be pretty down on its team. Especially when they're rotten, and it's been a while since Boston has endured multiple losing years in a row like we have. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't people like us overreacting to this team being rotten. Maybe the problem is them being rotten.