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QUOTE (ptatc @ May 13, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) It's an excuse but I think if you looked at all of baseball it was an excuse that year. It was not a "White Sox fan" excuse. I give all fans a pass that year as everyone was angry with baseball. The White Sox also had the multiple-whammy of JR being supposedly one of the leaders of the owners side pushing it that year and lost a chance to make a WS run the previous year and traded jack McDowell and then finished under .500. That wasn't a pleasant time to be a white sox fan.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2015 -> 01:07 PM) So basically the White Sox need to spend a five to seven year period as the best team in baseball to get fans to show up. That's my point exactly. Sox fans will always have an excuse. If they old ones don't work, they move the bar to a new one. Now Sox fans need a dyntasy type period to show up, as measly playoff births aren't good enough. Nah, I don't see why anyone would think Sox fans are fickle. And yet, they've still endured a 5 year streak of winning 45% of their games and still are putting 20k fans in the seats. That's a huge change from the early 2000s too.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 13, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Still was 17th in baseball with the 4th highest payroll and basically back to back divisions, and a "new stadium". The back to back titles is something that supposedly is required for people to attend now. "Essentially back to back divisions" is not how I would describe the average White Sox fan's response to 1994. Nor would it be mine.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 13, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Why are people talking about selling guys that were just signed? That's not going to happen. The White Sox are not the Marlins. The White Sox have a front four of Sale-Q-Samardzija-Rodon and a really good bullpen. I honestly think the Sox are more likely to add than subtract. They didn't spend $$ to turn around and sell. Because if this team falls flat like it's in the process of doing and the tiny "they spent money on the team" attendance bump evaporates, the financials for next season look terrible without adding a single soul. If they're below .500 in June and especially July, with 2-3 teams ahead of them, I think it would be extremely surprising if they didn't try to move some of that salary they just took on. If they pick up Alexei's option and offer arbitration to most of the guys who are arb-eligible, there's already a payroll increase to $125-130 million on the books for next year, up from $117m this year, and that's with allowing Samardzija to walk. Just to avoid losing money, which this franchise does not like to do, they will either have to turn this season around or they will have to get rid of some fraction of that money.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 13, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) average attendance years 2-5 of the White Sox new stadium: 33,101 31,865 30,042 22,204 average attendance years 2-5 of the Twins new stadium: 39,113 34,275 30,588 27,785 The White Sox had 2 division winners those years and a bad team in 1995. Twins average 95.5 losses per season, and in your other post you say TV is a better option. Just more excuses. . Wasn't there a minor thing called a "strike" in those years? Maybe one that knocked down the attendance average in the final year?

Lol Chris

Yay it only took 3.2 innings for a baserunner against the guy with the 5.41 ERA!

Well that helped a bit

QUOTE (fathom @ May 12, 2015 -> 08:34 PM) There are no viable replacements for those two. There is currently a better player in Charlotte playing Micah's position I know who should play 3rd! That Marcus guy who spent some time there last year! Whatever happened to him?

Just for Reference Milwaukee's bullpen is as bad as what we saw last night so don't count us out until it's the 9th.

Not watching how bad was defense on the triple?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2015 -> 08:03 PM) Pretty much the only way Sox fans show up is if the team won the World Series last year. Yeah, that isn't fickle or anything. They've endured 4 losing seasons in 5 years now with incredibly bad baseball to boot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) I literally lol'd at this statement. White Sox fans are the king of excuses. Your last two posts have quite literally been two long lists of excuses for fans. The White Sox were something like the second most winning team in the 90's and the 7th most winning team in the 2000's. The White Sox won 99 and 90 games in back to back seasons, attendance fell after the second year. The last time the White Sox were in the playoffs, attendance fell the next year. A few years back when the Sox spent all but 5 days of the season in first place, attendance fell. Tell me again about winning curing all? Man that's some spin. Yes attendance dropped after a 90 win season, because they missed the playoffs and then won 70 the next year. And they have a 45% winning percentage in the 2010s. So maybe try fixing that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 12, 2015 -> 06:31 PM) There's a huge difference (partially due to his delivery, which is far from smooth) between 180-210 and 140-160. It seems they're already trying to limit slider usage when that's his best pitch...in order to avoid him becoming the next Francisco Liriano (and interestingly, that 2006 Twins' 3-4 month run is exactly what we need right now). How exactly are they trying to do that? He's been a 2 pitch pitcher since coming up - fastball slider. So far 1/3 of the pitches he's thrown in the big leagues have been sliders. He's thrown a total of 3 pitches that pitch FX didn't think were fastballs or sliders and conveniently they match the slider velocity, so I literally don't know if he's thrown a single changeup. According to pitch F/X, he's actually thrown more sliders this season than Chris Sale.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 12, 2015 -> 05:53 PM) That would literally make no sense whatsoever. Why would the Sox stunt his development by doing that? Because he's likely to be pushing up against whatever innings limit they have on him by then. That said, at least there won't be a major worry of whether or not he can handle playoff innings.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 12, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Tex circles the bait, swims away, comes back, smells it a second time, and opens his mouth Soon they will both lose that right and the world will be safe once again.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 12, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) the only solution is for everyone to refuse to compliment the white sox in the PHT forum. I think we're approaching that point.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 12, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Same guy who claimed last year that Zimmerman threatened to kill him. Seems like bad blood between these two. The good news is they both have guns so as long as no bystanders are hit this will just take care of itself eventually and as taxpayers we just have to pay for all the police responses.

In the past 2.5 weeks since the last comment in this thread our bullpen has dropped to 8th in the AL in ERA and 18th in MLB. They are 17th in OPS given up, 24th in the league in OBP given up, 23rd in WHIP, 20th in K/BB, and 12th in K/9.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 12, 2015 -> 02:11 PM) How do you know that? That's not consistent with anything that was said at any point by front office staff, nor is it consistent with the prevailing trends of the industry. Our team, like at least a dozen others, realized that they're better off contending every year, even if it's only for the Wild Card, than they are following the "boom & bust" rebuild cycle. Most of the acquisitions Hahn made this offseason are designed to help for two to three years without sacrificing much beyond that. The only significant move he made for 2015 only is Samardzija, who he'll recoup some of the value on with a QO offer or a deadline trade. However, they're "Not" contending every year. Not on that, they're not contending this year at a cost almost $30 million more than not contending last year, and they're doing so with another payroll increase already on the books for next year just based on the contracts they currently have - so revenue growth this year in the form of at least a wild card hunt was an absolute must just to keep things balanced. "They're better off contending every year than following the boom & bust cycle". When do we get this boom exactly? Heck, when do we get any year of contending?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2015 -> 10:26 PM) Yeah, but I don't count, as I would fire everyone I'm in. This org has been a cancer since 2013 and every trace of anything around at that time needs eradicated.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2015 -> 10:20 PM) Can they fire Don Cooper please? This team just can't pitch on the road QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 11, 2015 -> 10:23 PM) I love how even at this point nobody even brings up Coopers name as someone to fire. Dude, 8 posts before that.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2015 -> 10:16 PM) Hahn's moves keep getting worse Duke's been fine and this is, as I just noted skeptically, the 3rd day in a row he's worked.

Who's coming in from Sox pen? Duke would be obvious candidate but worked last 2 days?

Broxton in with an ERA just under 7