Balta1701

Here's the tricks. 1. It was closer to $170 million with the MLBTR numbers. $173 was a little high. I came up with $171 and I think I included Mendick in there. 2. If Pollock opting out saves them $8 million, that leaves them in the low $160s. That leaves them near $20 million to spend. 3. That $170 number includes "$720 k for each player to fill out the roster." If you assume that a couple of those guys are Free agent/Trade guys, then in reality you've basically got $20 million to spend to get to $180 million because that's money you're spending either way. 4. Pollock's $5 million buyout could be booked in either 2022 or 2023. We don't know whether the White Sox are counting that in the "$180 million" we were quoted or not. It is entirely possible that they meant "$180 million for 2023 after we pay Pollock's opt out as part of our 2022 spending", and if that were the case that leaves them a little more space to get up to $25 million.

Do you really think anyone here has any confidence in Leury as the main backup plan in CF for Robert?

A quick check of OAA finds that Gallo is an "ok" outfielder while Bellinger is a strong defensive CF. If having a second person who can play CF is important to the White Sox, then that does create a fit for Bellinger that Gallo can't match.

That was before Pollock opted out. It's a bit complicated to figure out the exact number as "how do you book Pollock's buyout, in 2022 or 2023" matters and that was paid in early November. But, if I assume it counts as part of the 2023 payroll, they are in the low $160s assuming MLBTradeRumors arbitration estimates. That leaves nearly $20 million to get to a $180 million payroll. If they did the bookkeeping such that Pollock's bonus counts as part of the 2022 payroll, then they could have just under $25 million to get to $180 million. So it's not a lot, but it's not quite as tiny as what you said.

KC changed their manager themselves though, so it's hardly guaranteed that they would insist on the same coaches staying.

I think it is closer to $20 million at the minimum, if the budget is $180 million. Adding only $12 million should leave them with a payroll below $175 million.

The thing is…if the Dodgers believe this too, which they might, then you’ll never get anywhere near him even for a trade that is fair on paper. And I do think it’s fair to say the Dodgers are going to know their players better than anyone in the league other than maybe Tampa Bay.

Im totally ok with having been wrong about that and would be happy to be a better person today. I apologize, I shouldn’t have wanted him anywhere near the Bulls. Will you apply that same standard here and apologize for your remarks yesterday?

And the one thing you will never ponder is how many rapists walked free because the police weeded it out on exactly the standards you’ve outline here.

And if a woman doesn’t have the perfect memory and story of something inappropriate happening, it’s a-ok, so go enjoy.

For something that has gone away, you seem pretty bothered that people bring it up.

I also see no reason why we should move on from that. “This person did not take detailed enough notes during a traumatic experience to satisfy me so I’m going to judge their behavior” has long been a way that men get away with rape with no consequences.

Presumably this has excluded pitchers? Question is, how many guys meet your standard of being really good in their 20s and that tall?

Y’all know what? It’s a Bellinger thread now. First post is still there if you want to comment on it but we will probably be talking about Bellinger for a while. Go to town.

That’s a good point. I want to be a pretend white Sox insider on Twitter. I say “bad news is coming” to convince the Sox fans and say something Nazi like to keep my Twitter account and there you go.

Not in the post that you were replying to? That was written earlier this afternoon about Hendriks for Lux alone.

Or no one else wants to work here any more?

While they're meaningless, it's a lot easier to have an outside perspective on this than to just keep guessing. I for one don't think the Dodgers are giving up a big league contributor for Hendriks. They already have to replace one middle infielder, having to replace two so that they could get a closer? Without anyone who is going to replace them in their organization? Just doesn't seem likely.

There’s no reason to spend $180 million if you’re doing that.

If they’re not, then they shouldn’t be holding onto Cease.

They can definitely replace 1 WAR Giolito with another 1-2 win pitcher for Giolitos money. Problem is, that doesn’t make an 81 win team that lost 2 of its 3 biggest contributors any better. And they can definitely use a guy like Graveman or Lopez in the closers role, but for a team that already has a shallow bullpen and would have been worse last year if not for an elite performance in 1 run games, same problem. These are fine ways to come back and win 78 games next year.

Shedding payroll for the White Sox is fairly straightforward. Hendriks, Giolito, Anderson all can be moved to do that. Shedding payroll while remaining competitive is nearly impossible. For a team to do that, they need to have a young guy ready to step in. Like Tucker when the Astros let Springer walk, or Hunter Brown if they let Verlander walk, or Peña when they let Correa walk. The White Sox don’t have anyone who replaces any of those guys ready to go, so moving any of them makes the team worse.

The trade value site thinks that Hendriks and Giolito for Lux is still a small underpay for the White Sox. You have to go to things about how closers somehow have extra value and the Dodgers GM will believe that because they’re so old school to make that happen.

I do genuinely get why the White Sox might be willing to sell off half their team to the Dodgers. But if they did this…aren’t they rebuilding? Two outfield rookies, 3 rookies in their top 6 pitchers, a weird infield setup where I’m not sure who is at shortstop? Is that going to compete this year?

Eh, a -0.1 WAR pitcher last year might be hard for the white Sox to replace, but that’s still not a bargain.