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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) I'm just confused as to how there is not any outrage by the student or the student's father that Sandusky was actually recruiting for PSU still. Did you not find that odd? They were more upset that he had to cross the school off their lists, seemingly. If true, Paterno and the rest of the staff, as well as the Administration and President, etc., really have absolutely no defense at this point. I'm going to wait to see if this gets picked up by anyone else before I fully believe it though. Look at the source in that article. That is an actual recruit, by name, on the record, saying that Sandusky was part of him being recruited. That's as clean-cut of a sourcing as you'll ever get. The kid has no motivation to lie there, and he's on the record so if somehow he was lying, that'd be a bad thing for him as a future football player.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) I thought there would be no season a long time ago, but I thought that because I never thought the players would get an offer this good. For the most part, this process has been on the owners IMO, but I'm starting to shift to it being the players fault with how it has turned recently. The problem now is...the Players have gotten the owners to "Cave and offer a better deal" at what, 3, 4 different deadlines in the last 2 months? The players have every reason to expect that the Owners position will move farther at this point if they wait longer.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) More and more details are going to come out. Sandusky also adopted 6 children, was his sexual crimes limited to other people's kids? At least some of his victims were high school age. I'm wondering if we'll ever learn that a PSU player was on the list.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:51 PM) Should Penn State even be playing Saturday/the rest of this season? I'd honestly lean towards no. I'm not upset that they're playing because it would be unfair to the players on that team that have nothing to do with this to not play. But it just feels wrong, and I hope they lose. I can understand this sentiment, but on this one...I'm going to assume it's not the players' fault. The scary thing is that some of them might well have met Sandusky during recruiting visits, even while they were high schoolers.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) So far no one in this thread has said theyve read the transcript. So you are relying entirely on the medias portrayal, unless you are saying you were one the jurors and actually witnessed the testimony. So you're alleging what here, that no one has read the easily available grand jury report, or that the grand jury report is lies created by a grand jury determined to destroy Joe Paterno?

QUOTE (sox win @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:46 PM) My point is that at this point he is a middle reliever and with young pichers it's always a gamble. But the Sox would also be getting back young players who are similarly risky right?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) edited with link. The defense of Paterno being disconnected from this is crumbling. Yeah, so he kept Sandusky making official visits with high school kids through 2011. Yeah.

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QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) And bringing back Buerhle puts the payroll, if your other things you mentioned happened, puts the payroll at about $125 Interesting... I still think Quentin and Danks/Floyd is gone. Of course, doing that would leave us with either 6 starters or with Sale in the bullpen, again.

Pap to the PHils, 4 years, $50 mil appears done.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) What's up Adam? How's the elbow feeling after the surgery? They picked up a $10 million-ish option on him a few weeks ago, so they must expect he'll be able to pitch next year.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) If that's true, I'm surprised. Then again, let's say that they have to decrease payroll by $5 million. How much does letting Vizquel/Pierre and the E.Jackson/M.Teahan trade offset the increase in salaries to guys like Floyd, Danks and Quentin? If we were to bring back Quentin and Danks, but Lose M-56, the payroll sits somewhere around $113 million right now.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) Is it possible that the Republicans will fail to nominate a candidate? No.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) Sadly all Romney has to do is keep his mouth shut and he will be the nominee. That CBS poll, although it's wierd, suggests a plummet for Mittens as well. It has "Not Romney" at 85%.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Kyle, I dont know if there was a coverup, I just believe that if there was one, that it wasnt Paterno who was leading it. I think it came from above him. And that's entirely believable given that the people above him have already been charged with crimes.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) I'd be OK if the sox gave De Aza a chance. Yet only if they got another consistent .300 hitter and who can post a high OBP for the 2nd or 3rd spots in the lineup. The sox have too many low OBP guys throughout the lineup-AJ, Alexei, Morel, Beckham, Rios, Dayan [who may hit but still won't take too many BB's]. This is one case where the Sox really have no option. Morel, Beckham, and Rios are going to at least start the year in the lineup. If none of the 3 step up, then it's highly unlikely the Sox will be competitive anyway, so you might as well play them and try to develop.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) They have already shown us that they don't like to divulge information right away, although these are different people presently in charge. And if they make that choice again, they will pay for it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) If PSU knows, however, better to clean house in one move instead of person-by-person as details emerge. Clearly, if they have information that is not publicly available, they had better act on it, otherwise they're going to be in even worse shape.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) I'm saying as the investigation moves on will we find out the knowledge was quite a bit more widespread. That's entirely possible, but PSU doesn't need to remove people based on the assumption that will happen. On that one, they have time to wait.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:15 AM) My question is are we going to find out that the entire staff knew including Tom Bradley, and what is keeping him on going to do for their image. Unless there's involvement on his part from the grand jury report that I have missed, I don't think keeping him on at this point is that big of a mistake. Someone tell me if I missed something, but I haven't seen indications that he was directly informed of the actions in 2002. He might well have been, and if so, PSU ought to take that into account in their upcoming coaching search, and he probably ought to lawyer up.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:03 AM) Moving who for young pitching? Quentin or Viciedo? I imagine Viciedo could get more in return, but I wouldn't want to see that. Viciedo. The Sox would demand a premium young pitcher for a player like Viciedo, which means that some other team with and OF vacancy would need to be willing to part with a premium MLB-ready starter to fill an OF hole. I mean, the Braves have the players to make it happen and a corner OF need, but that's just not the kind of deal that would go down. The Sox would deservedly ask for Teheran out of that, and the Braves aren't giving him up for Viciedo.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:12 AM) It wouldnt have ended the world. But if these allegations all end up being true, and the last image of JoePa is one of him being carried off the field with everyone cheering him on, The University would look even worse than they do right now. The right thing was to clean house, and I really dont think Curley and McQueary are going to be recieving PSU checks for very much longer, and let the investigation take its course and let the university and football team start to rebuild themselves. Hell, "Beat Nebraska" and the rally earlier int he week looked bad enough.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:57 AM) Unless he is moved for young pitching What insane GM is going to make that deal?

That doesn't seem good.

I can't tell if this is a giant over-reaction, if it's some variant of "what we should expect", or if it means that they have reason to expect that MF's behavior was not abnormal.