Balta1701

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:37 AM) why the f*** can we not wait to hear the full story before going apes*** over this? From this point on, I'm happy to let that happen. The changes that needed to be made immediately have been made.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:35 AM) De Aza may turn out OK. I'm just tired of the sox thinking they can go cheap at leadoff ala Pierre, and get by without solid .300 hitters at the top, and stick with the long ball hitters. I know those are hard to come by. But the sox lack guys who can hit for avg. and get on base. It's certainly plausible that he could fail, for any number of reasons, but the dude has flat out earned a chance to start next year for this team. You cannot ask for a player to do more to earn a spot than to come up late in the season, play good defense, and destroy the baseball, after having done exactly that at AAA.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:15 AM) De Aza is a low cost gamble. But he's likely a 4th OFer along with Brent. I've seen zero that backs this up. De Aza was a fairly highly touted player with the Marlins and earned a starting spot. He then suffered a career threatening injury, which took him several years to recover from. He plays good defense. He has some of the speed you want. He can take a walk. He hits LH. He has hit at every level he's played at, including the big leagues last year. Even if you play games with his numbers and adjust his BABIP last year down to a reasonable level, he still would be putting up decent numbers in the bigs.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:01 AM) I dont't understand how the tryout went bad because of his baggage. Did the Japanese know nothing about him before they showed up to Florida? A simple Google search would tell them all they need to know. No need to fly halfway around the world to tell him that. Maybe they did a drug test/physical/personal evaluation on him after he showed up.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 08:39 AM) If the Frasor move means anything by itself, this actually makes sense. You don't hold on to a $4 million reliever to trade off a bunch of talent. Congrats on another season in AAA, Dayan. Or at least 1/3 of a season, until Carlos gets hurt.

Wouldn't like having to pay the posting fee, and really really want to see what De Aza can do.

QUOTE (Kid Gleason @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) He did just hire some high power guy, so we might wait and see what happens. I'm betting the old twit goes down something fierce. If you took shacks pov, he could be prepping to sue penn state for wrongful termination.

Can't we agree that's what poor people are for?

QUOTE (Kid Gleason @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) Has anybody brought up the fact that in the role that Joe Paterno was in, coach (teacher?), that he would have been a mandated reporter? His duty was much more than just telling his bosses. His duty was to report this to the proper authorities, which involves calling the proper phone numbers. Good ol JoePa(thetic) dropped the ball on what his profession required him to do. He is just one gigantic dolt. If his legal responsibility was more than telling his supervisor, he'd already be facing charges.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) Where is that from? Voyager.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:19 PM) You stated he cannot be defended. In this case? You're damn right there's no defense. There may be "Explanations". We covered some of them yesterday. They aren't excuses, they aren't defenses. From what he has already said, from his admission that he should have done more, from his own statement, you're right, his actions are indefensible.

A Veal Quintana does sound like something I'd try at a fancy Mexican Restaurant.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) You don't know s*** about what happened as of right now. You simply don't. None of us do. But you go ahead and sit on your high horse right now, and tell anyone who thinks that just maybe we should wait and see what the hell was really going on there for the last 15 years that we are moral failures too, Balta. Because you know. Hell, you are the great moral adjudicator. Throw out his 65 years of coaching. Throw out the tens of thousands of young men, their wives, girlfriends, and families that he has helped. Because I am absolutely convinced that his entire life up until this point has been a complete farce, and all the stories about Paterno being a great human being are just all bulls***. The guy made a mistake. He should have done more. Hell, the goddamned police and the DA, you know, those that the taxpayers fund their paychecks? They did nothing. Those that get specific training to handle criminals like Sandusky? They did nothing. But let's spend all our time deliberating whether the football coach should coach one game or three games. Let's speculate just how much involvement he might or probably had, before just allowing the facts to actually come out. You are ridiculous. No, let's do the right thing and fire him based on his own admissions that he did not do enough. Yes, I will sit here on my high horse and say that no matter what else he did in his life, what he has already admitted to in this case tarnishes everything. Oh, and if you were watching earlier this thread, my reaction to the statemetns about the DA et al. dropping their 1998 investigation were to question whether the DA could face charges over failing to act. It was suggested to me that they cannot be charged for that.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) I don't have to rationalize anything...I'm sitting here incredulous that Balta has already condemned and convicted Paterno of everything but child molestation himself, which, btw, Milk is now hoping happens. No, I certainly have not. I think he should have been fired for failing to act strongly enough in 2002. THat has now happened and I consider the matter closed, with 2 exeptions; 1., if it turns out that he was more involved than currently known, and 2., when people step up and try to defend his reputation which should justly be viewed as in tatters.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) How else do you even know about the story, Balta? Were you there now? There was a Grand Jury report released, for one.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) What I'm saying is the fact that some are actually speculating about it is evidence that the media coverage is influencing peoples' imaginations to run wild about what Paterno might have done, regardless of what the actual known facts are as of this time. I see, so you're willing to sit here and tell me that it's media coverage that has influenced me to speculate about why the DA dropped the case in 1998. Which media did I consume which caused me to speculate this?

Rush Limbaugh tells his listeners how Liberals have disappeared from the media.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) And I am pointing out that this kind of speculation is stemming from the media coverage. Earth to you both. I'd say it's stemming from the fact that somehow he still has defenders who tell us that he was an exemplary person and led an exemplary life.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) Balta is pointing out that this is pure speculation, not saying that it is what happened. They're going to speculate that he's telling the truth, that the other statements are exaggerated, and that he's getting too much blame, it's just as fair to speculate the opposite direction.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) Oh you are being absolutely ridiculous now. See, this is my whole f***ing point. Now Paterno is the one calling the DA and asking him not to investigate the molestation of a child... That statement seems just about as ridiculous as your recent statement that Joe Paterno was an exemplary person and led and exemplary life.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) Well except in this case the highest profile person involved hasn't lied and told everyone that he didn't do or know anything at all. Although there are conflicting reports about what exactly he was told in 2002 which could in fact mean that he has lied in public statements.

First openly gay appointee to the Federal Appeals Court, who's nomination was endorsed by at least 3 Republican Solicitor's General, has asked the President to withdraw his nomination after 18 months passed without the Senate granting him a single hearing.