Balta1701

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:45 PM) Why hasn't every manufacturing center moved to China? Your plan is for employers who provide Health care to be as rare as manufacturers who did not move overseas. And yet if I bother to point out that the summary to this is "then no Americans will have health care", somehow I'll be the one getting laughed at. Seriously...you've done a great job illustrating why the employer/health care link that the PPACA works really hard to preserve is not the best option and a government-only plan is.

Oh, and I'd also like an explanation for why employer provided Health Insurance in Massachusetts increased by 100,000 people after Obamneycare was installed there, rather than decreased. And MA provides larger subsidies for the uninsured than are available in the PPACA, which means that the employer attachment in the PPACA is stronger than in MA. If you want a discussion at a blog with an explanation/example, here's one. I'm sure it's a blog so some people will refuse on principle to read it, but if the State of Tennessee, for example, chose to end its plan and push people onto the exchanges, it'd be looking at an additional cost of about $200 million a year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:39 PM) When you have 17% effective unemployment, it is pretty easy to replace about 90% of the workforce. Then why haven't they been replaced now with workers who aren't provided health care, when right now there are no fines for doing so?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) It is also not paying a major expense. A great equivilant is moving jobs out of the US. Companies get all kinds of credits and the like for staying in the US. In the end it is still cheaper to go overseas. Health care seems to be the same way. If companies are paying more out of pocket, than the fine they will get, it is an easy decision to drop coverage. Insurance is like 10k a year. Fines are no where close to that, and neither are the credits. "Gotta retain top talent" only works on Wall Street I guess.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:35 PM) bump. How'd you do? Picked the Heat to get to 73.

In the past week, Amazon.com has cut off Arkansas and Connecticut from states that it exists in. Louisiana appears next.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) This doesn't work when you're citing a study that refuses to disclose it's methodology. That's actually worse than a blog. The sad thing is...calling repeatedly when a dubious study refuses to explain how it got its unique results (which also don't square with the results seen in Massachusetts) is supposed to be the job of actual media. Instead, it's pretty much only done by blogs today...the mainstream job is to report the study and that's it. No evaluation of quality. Anything else is too much work.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:17 PM) I know it is easy to say that, but it makes perfect sense. Force businesses into making a business decision, and they are going to go for the cheapest option. If cutting plans is cheaper than paying a fine, which it is, they will cut. It is also obvious that this was completely on purpose since they couldn't get what they wanted if they were obvious about getting government health car. Now, I'll lay off the sarcasm. The thing you're missing of course is that the Health Care tax credit still exists. Which means that if an employer stops paying health benefits to its employees and just pays the fine, it looses a huge government assist on paying those benefits...which is really the only reason employers provide health care at all today anyway. Stopping paying for those benefits is a pay cut of several thousand dollars a year for the employees without any additional profits for the company...it's the equivalent of just deciding not to claim a tax deduction.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:17 PM) I know it is easy to say that, but it makes perfect sense. Force businesses into making a business decision, and they are going to go for the cheapest option. If cutting plans is cheaper than paying a fine, which it is, they will cut. It is also obvious that this was completely on purpose since they couldn't get what they wanted if they were obvious about getting government health car. "Sure the survey is B.S., but its heart is in the right place. So I'm right."

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:10 PM) f*** I had not thought of that. God this sucks. If your stomach can handle Tylenol (I Know that bothers some people), it's the main OTC pain relever which does not cause blood thinning.

I was so soooooooo hoping we wouldn't have to go through that study, considering that they won't let anyone go through how it was done. But alas, here we go.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:07 PM) Yeah they just said it's normal. Also 1 vicotin didn't do anything so I think I'll just do advil from Hereon since it doesn't mess with my stomach. Eff vicotin. One notable side effect of ibuprofin is a thinning of the bloodstream, which might make clotting more difficult in your case.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) Ah yes, the whole basis for Obama-care, Step One. Obamacare shifted people from Medicare into the private market?

Eventually you have to. It's the only way to know that B-Hizzle is hosting hoodlums in the Hizzouse.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:59 PM) Well first, only some of "they" are willing to do that. Second, that's not actually fixing a problem, that's replacing one with another. But even that is still better than doing nothing with it, at this point. I'd like someone other than Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich to be willing to cut the monster military money muncher. I'd like someone to use some of the vast financial brain power we have in this country to find a way to unwind us from social security. I'd like someone to tell me whey the richest 1% of the country are paying less taxes then ever, in the midst of the deepest economic downturn since the depression (and then raise their taxes - yeah I said it). Then, if you have the balls to do that, and the brains, maybe you are smart enough to realize that discretionary cuts can be done smartly, instead of lumping towel robots and alternative energy into the same bucket. The ENTIRE House and Senate Republican Caucus save 1 or 2 senators voted for it. "Some". It's also not better than nothing, because we hand away the extra money in tax cuts, then 5 years later wind up reestablishing the program at much greater cost when we realize that no private company wants to provide basic health insurance to the U.S.'s population of seniors. And that financial brainpower would love to help you hand over social security to it.

Could be that I was just looking for something you'd believe.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:56 PM) Think about this now - what are his numbers against righties? Well clearly good enough that he belongs in the lineup against Pavano.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) zero ex-mayors I am guessing. Awesome. Had to scroll past 5 articles complaining about Daley to find an article complaining about Rudy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) I know you are in pain and probably drugged up, but that is just a hilarious line.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) LOL, I love how they equate laundry-folding robots with solar power. The government does spend way, way, way too much money. But that nice little video doesn't want you to know that the fun little discretionary bits are only a tiny portion of the problem, and that most GOP'ers even are unwilling to attack the monstrosities that are social security, medicare, historically low tax rates for businesses and the rich, and the military. Those together are 90% of the problem. Actually they are fully willing to attack Medicare. They have a plan in place to effectively end it and leave seniors responsible for a much larger share of their health care dollars in the private market within a decade.

You're surprised by that? Cities provide security details for everyone these days. Makes the person feel important and the public never complains.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) i've just been biting down on gauze for hours. just used a tea bag. Yeah, it can't hurt to put in a call to the office where you had the procedure done before they close if you've got significant amounts of blood coming out.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:43 PM) Ugh, why bat Beckham 2nd? He's not much better than Juan Pierre. If the guy in the 2 hole is supposed to be the guy who gets extra fastballs...putting Beckham there is a bad idea, because Beckham is failing against fastballs right now.

Well, the investors did clear what, a couple billion on it alone?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) A sweep really? This is the Twins we are talking about, and the team that is very hot right now. I'd be happy with 2/3. In Minny, yeah, I'd be thrilled with 2/3.