Balta1701

While I agree with parts of this, there is a flaw in this - with revenue sharing, there’s no reason why a team can’t be perpetually bad and profitable. Especially the DBacks, Rockies, Orioles - who have the Yankees and Dodgers in their divisions, and the Pirates and Marlins would probably do that too. It is not good for baseball to have cities where the teams are never competitive, because those fan bases will wither and lose interest over time if they never have a winner to cheer for. So, some strategy has to exist to avoid teams becoming nothing but parasites.

Would Jerry Reinsdorf risk the health of his billion dollar business to settle a grudge a few decades old? Happy New Year?

If the owners really tried to insist on a salary cap that low, we’d see Reinsdorf’s Replacements again and whether or not the players could create something on their own might turn on whether the anti-trust exemption were to be removed by Congress.

The owners wanting a setup like that, the players saying that was their one red line, and Reinsdorf having the owners ready for baseball to be gone for years to see if they could break the union until a court stepped in and said that what the owners were doing wasn’t legal is the short summary of the 1994 strike.

A $100 million floor among 30 teams locks in a revenue distribution that is something like 45%. The players will sit out 5 years before they do that. If you want a cap and floor that the players will go along with, you have to give them something that is better than any other offer they get without a cap. $250 million cap and $200 million floor, adjusting for revenue growth, so they're getting 70-65% of revenue.

Well no it’s not like that in a normal December, but the winter meetings are usually in December and it would be nice if that was when most offseason business happened. 80% of business should be done by like December 15, if the business side was working. Baseball boards should have very little To talk about from December 20 through January 3 or so. No team visits, no rumors. The audience isn’t even paying attention, it’s a bad time for any press. Mid January things can pick up a bit, but not with signings, instead that should be team conventions and gearing up for Spring Training. The fact that there was so much going on in January and February is a symptom of the problem with baseball’s business side.

I don't even really agree with this. The leagues that work have a big signing period in the offseason, and then they're pretty quiet other than tabloid drama (Ben Simmons, James Harden demanding trades) for the next few months. The NFL is a bit different because they have the draft in there, but there's a long period without many signings. No one really wants to hear about baseball during the last 10 days of December, even if big things happen people miss them because they're doing other things. What you actually want is a big signing period in early December with the winter meetings, teams mostly assembled in January, and then the occasional trade or signing filling in holes with a lot of quiet around it. You don't want those long, drawn out, annoying free agent sessions ending in early March. You want your big free agent acquisitions available in January for Soxfest/Cubs Convention/whatever else, especially before your tickets go on sale. That's about what the league got this year! Make this post mid-January and then you're correct.

Yeah, I can think of no times in the past 5 years where JR cleared a huge profit by tanking. Ok one season. Ok three.

Not since November 8. Nearly a month of stonewalling and bad faith refusing to negotiate before the lockout. Show me where that’s wrong.

Having looked today, I would like to see these reports you say exist, because I can’t find them. The owners have made 2 offers involving a universal DH, one that includes a $180 million salary cap offered over the summer and one last January for a shortened season with longer playoffs irrelevant to this actual lockout. It would also be surprising if the owners were making any proposals to the union about minor league conditions because most of those players aren’t in the union - most of those would have to do with the fact that the owners are both violating federal labor laws and also hurting their own franchises by skimping on their minor leagues. The only proposal on anything from the owners I can find from November was a plan to add a salary cap to arbitration while splitting up the pool based on fangraphs war calculations. So I ask, please cite these articles for me on proposals having the universal DH that were made to counter the union offers of reduced time to free agency and age-based limits on how long teams hold players.

“New era”? You really are Jerry Reinsdorf. Anyway, I have zero problem with the concept of pro sports being a handful of professional players who are well compensated for their skills, and success determined by how good of a job teams do at coaching and using their resources to build teams.

I literally quoted someone named..."Lucas Giolito", whoever, that is, in a post earlier today. I guess maybe that person is fake?

Second thought - you know what? I hope we don’t see. I hope the owners recognize that there’s a legit problem and make a fair counterproposal and this gets solved without losing games. But what I fear is that the lack of any reply by the owners and no fair proposals made means that the Avenue you and Reinsdorf advocate of letting the lockout continue forever to finally break the union is exactly what the owners will do.

I will tell you this - your statements that the players are going to cave and the owners are right to offer them nothing disagrees with your statement just now that service time manipulation needs to be changed.

The only guys the White Sox didn’t play some sort of service time game with were Vaughn and Kopech. They are not the worst service time manipulator but they’ve done a ton. When one of their own players is writing an article called “I’m ready” because he’s a 21 year old who wants to play in the big leagues and is told no he has to continue destroying minor league pitching because of money, and can readily see that’s bullshit, that tells you how much of it they did. The White Sox just used it as a threat to force guys to sign team friendly extensions. Those extensions are the abuses, just a different form from Bryant’s. Tte fact that so much of this abuse happened is a clear reason why the players won’t break, as you keep insisting they will. It’s everywhere and they all want it stopped.

Eloy literally wrote an article for the Players Tribune called “I’m Ready” while the white Sox were saying he had to “check the boxes”

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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/britton-giolito-and-semien-discuss-lockout.html

As offensive coordinator? Sure.

Someone just hire Bieniemy already.

But they did turn around and get Leury done 4 days later - could that be linked to missing Escobar?