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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 07:04 PM) Thome is probably gone. IIRC - and I may be wrong - but I think that once we hit that negotiation window we're somehow not allowed to offer much less than arb in a contract offer. Isn't that how we lost Everett and Alomar the first time? If so, Dotel is gone for the same reason. It's not that I don't think Pena has talent, and it's not that I'm crushed we dealt Allen, but I would have rather packaged Allen if nothing else for either a position player or another pitcher who hasn't been on a straight decline for the last two seasons and is incapable of gaining the manager's trust even on a bad NL team. I don't have a problem dealing most of our prospects, but I don't feel like we even shopped Allen. You have to either re-sign a player like Thome, Dye, Dotel by about December 1st of each year. If you do not offer them arbitration, you can not resign that same player until about April 1. If you do offer them arbitration, they have about 6 weeks to decide whether they want to accept, during which time you can continue to negotiate with them.

Oh. 5 run 6th while I was upstairs. Not bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 06:34 PM) I get the feeling a DL trip and surgery are on the horizon for Marquez. Does anyone know what his velocity has looked like since he came off of the DL? I was somewhat surprised when he said bone spurs in the elbow that he hadn't wound up in surgery.

Well, that's a quality start by Mark so far.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:55 PM) It's still a very odd move on the surface. Everyone knows that Birmingham's park isn't too great for the hitters, and his struggles in Charlotte can only be evaluated so much because of the sample size. I thought he had more value than a 27 year old RP with a 4.23 ERA that doesn't really have a spot in our bullpen right now. Even I'll grant that Pena has more value than a simple 27 YO RP with a 4.23 ERA just based on stuff.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) I think this trade gives KW a ton of flexibility to make trades in the next month without hurting the 25 man roster too much while helping our future. Like many have said, Allen didn't fit into the plans with PK signed for a few more years. It's also likely he wouldn't have put up good enough numbers to be a legit DH in the next few seasons. If this means it's more likely Thome or Dye are back, then fine by me. Isn't PK only signed for 1.5 more years?

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:46 PM) Seems more like Kenny is salivating over another power reliever again. Pena has legit closer's stuff and on talent alone is probably worth Allen but I'm very saddened by this. I think Allen is going to be a better player than people give him credit for, and now if we have Flowers penciled in at C, who is going to play 1B in the future? Fields?

That was Mark Buerhle's 56th pickoff since 2001, according to DJ.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:41 PM) This is why you don't fall in love with prospects. Even still, seems like a "Giving up on Allen" type of move to me.

I never buy the concept of a "Move to setup a bigger move" because I can't remember the last time it actually happened. KW made this move because he wanted Tony Pena.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:36 PM) WTF? How did Detroit just go up 7-3? Bruce Chen. Gave up an RBI single to Polonco in the 4th, walked Cabrera intentionally, 3 run home run by Thames. Polonco and Cabrera have homers earlier in the game.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:35 PM) Looks like we won't be hitting Sowers until the 4th or 5th tonight. Paul Konerko doesn't like you and wants you to look bad in front of your friends.

14 for #14. 1-1 Ballgame.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:31 PM) Question: Is Viciedo tall enough to play 1st base? 5'11".

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:31 PM) Maybe we are about to trade Dotel? Dotel for Brandon Allen?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) I can't believe we're in page 6 and don't have a "Coop will fix him." Frankly, that's exactly what this sounds like. Except we gave up more than Joe Borchard.

Link

Link.

CBS Comments

Article from 2004. Seems that this Pena was involved in falsifying his ID/Age when he originally signed with the D-Backs. At the time Boras was his agent.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:13 PM) The only way this makes sense to me is as a long-term move with Dotel gone at the end of the year (if not sooner) and Linebrink's shoulder being completely unreliable. And even then, I'm not seeing the value in Pena. He has a career 114 ERA+ which is pretty good, and had a ridiculous 144 ERA+ in 2007. Strikes out a fair number, doesn't walk a ton. Decent stuff it seems.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 05:12 PM) Pena contract status? Still currently pre-arb.

Here's his career #'s.

WTF?

From a 2006 op-ed NYT piece. Gets introduced every year.