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QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 12:19 PM) Guess what big chunk of the population is not included in the census? The section that no speaka de ingles. And yet, if those same people have children in this country...suddenly those children are citizens and are sampled by the Census.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 11:33 AM) Texsox- One thing I don't understand from reading your posts is this sense of a "right" of Mexicans (or immigrants in general) to come here or to have access to our economy. When did that become part of our system? Tradition doens't hold up anymore, especially since traditionally immigrants came here to stay and assimilate - that's definitely not the trend now. Wait one second there...where exactly do you come up with the claim that immigrants who come here do not assimilate? I ask as there are even recent studies which have come out looking at, for example, language trends, which find that the patterns for mexican immigrants these days are not very different at all from those of any other immigrant coming these days, or from those coming over 50-100 years ago. The first generation speaks generally the mother country's tongue, the 2nd generation mostly speaks english but can usually do both, and the 3rd generation is almost always fully english speaking. Here's one link that turned up on the Google.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 11:35 AM) Broadway had significant control problems in AAA last season (4.5 BB per 9 innings pitched). It's true he was working on a new pitch, but you can't cont on him to throw strikes right now. Which is why I think they'll be giving him at least another start in AAA next year...that combined with the fact that Masset is out of options just keeps arguing that they'll try to turn around Nick one more time.

Um, don't we need 2 of these guys?

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 11:00 AM) The Rays are notorious to try to deal with. I expect a 27 year old A-ball player in any deal with those guys. As long as we're not picking up any of the salary, that really wouldn't be that bad of a deal. It'd be nice to get more, esp. with what guys like Vizquel and Eckstein are getting, but I really wouldn't be furious if we just dumped Uribe for nothing.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 09:23 AM) twins have offered santana 5 years, 93 mill? hopefully not He'd get 2x that on the open market.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 09:18 AM) I think Broadway is the leading candidate to be the long man out of the bullpen. I'll be surprised if Masset joins the big league squad again. That's an entirely plausible argument as well. I really don't know what will happen with those guys. With that rotation and the youth/specialists in our pen, I think we def. need the 12 man staff with a long man included, and I think Masset is going to get the first shot. At least my feeling is they might want to keep Lance as a starter at least for now, in case one of the other guys self-destructs or Contreras hits the DL again. But then again, Charlie probably fits somewhere into this discussion as well, and I really don't know where. We might have 3 nearly equal candidates, 1 of whom is out of options.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 09:20 AM) Aren't Masset and Floyd out of options? If so they would justabout guaranteed spots on the roster. Yes, they are both out of options.

Bob Herbert devotes an article to some of the worst parts of the lending mess; the practically insane loans that some of these lenders pressured people into. It's at least worth thinking about where the lines should be drawn in what banks are allowed to do with people and how much responsibility should fall on the people to understand the terms of a loan.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 08:32 AM) One Small Day - Ultravox Small Town - Mellencamp.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 08:49 AM) See, i think Edwards would be Obama's best VP. They are very ideologically similar. That would make for a unified ticket. What would Richardson bring to the ticket? Just curious, I really dont know. Richardson is the counter-weight to the inexperience attack on Obama. Richardson has that foreign policy experience that Obama doesn't. Negotiating with North Korea being the prime example. He also has executive branch experience, in both the Clinton admin as Sec. Energy and in Colorado as the Gov. Edwards's weaknesses are the exact same ones as Obama; lack of foreign policy experience, lack of executive branch service, not even a long service time in the Senate.

QUOTE(Lemon_44 @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 07:29 AM) My uncle lives down in Tampa and he said there are reports that TB is looking to move Upton. I would have no idea why that would be the case but that's what he said. He told me this prior to the Sox acquiring OC,so it's not like there's an Upton to the Sox rumor,and he'd have no reason to make it up, but, i guess, they are seeing what's out there for him. The Upton rumor has been one attached to major pitching talent coming back, like Garza from Minnesota. That's one of those "We have too many talented position players and we need talented SP's" type deals. I doubt they'd even be interested in Danks, Gio, or DLS.

A lot depends on how things come out. IMO, it's entirely possible Masset gets a job handed to him one more time, on these grounds. 1. Danks, Floyd, and Contreras appear to have rotation spots sewn up, for better or worse. All 3 struggled at times last season, and could prove to be less than innings-eaters. 2. We currently have 5 people in our bullpen by my count, 2 of whom struggled mightily last year, 2 of whom are specialist guys, and 1 of whom is a really good closer. 3. If nothing else, we need at least one more RHP in our bullpen simply to get to an 11 man pitching staff. 4. Given the worries expressed in #1, it makes an awful lot of sense to stick a long reliever in the bullpen and go with a 12 man pitching staff to start the year. Nick can fill that role. Maybe not well but he can at least pitch more than one inning.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 20, 2007 -> 08:08 AM) I don't know, that's one thing that I read on both a Red Sox and Angels board, maybe he's an even better hitter than his 2007 line (.324/.369/.425/.794) from the 2 hole in lets on or maybe they're all just full of s***. On a semi-related note; how sad is it that Cabrera got 134 ABs in the 3 hole for the Angles last year? What a pathetic offense. Btw, am I the only one who remembers that near record tying streak Cabrera got into at the beginning of 06...where he got on base at least once in 63 consecutive games? Longest since 1960 or something like that? I like those sorts of things.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 08:16 PM) Do they give you a .350 OBP for example? Owens put up a .326 OBP against righties last year and a lower number versus lefties. Of course, that's including his terrible first stint with the club, which most people, including me, are giving him a break for. Someoen would have to go into the MLB double splits to get his 2nd half numbers against lefties; i'll bet they're not terribly bad.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 08:16 PM) details details Grabbing the timeline from NPR: From the other stuff around there, it appears that the CIA first started asking questions about the leak in late July, and the DOJ didn't start getting around to things until September. And when the rumors of the DOJ getting involved started hitting, suddenly the press starts asking people questions, and 2 weeks later a formal investigation was open.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 08:13 PM) When they have James Loney who's put up an OPS+ of 130 in 486 career PAs? This is the team that signed and played Luis Gonzalez and Juan Pierre in front of Kemp last season, Nomar at 1b in front of Loney, spent a ton of money on Schmidt to take Billingsly's rotation spot, and on and on and on. The Dodgers have an awful habit of blocking their young guys and not seeming to care that the guys blocking the kids are putting up vastly worse numbers.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 08:11 PM) There are only a few candidates I would like to see live. Obama, because he seems electrifying. Hillary because of Rex's comments, McCain, and possibly Thompson. I think a lot of people would like to see Thompson live. Many of them work for or initially supported his campaign.

For some more fun, CNN has a New Hampshire poll out. Giuliani 16 (24) Romney 33 (25) McCain 18 (18) Thompson 4 (13) Huckabee 5 Paul 8 (4) Trend lines in brackets. None given for Huck. Thompson and Rudy are literally in free fall.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) The problem is the between Izturis, Aybar and Brandon Wood, nobody knows exactly what they have. I'm sure that combination will turn out better than Brian Anderson, Sweeney and Jerry Owens in the White Sox outfield...but you're taking something of a risk to trade a veteran clubhouse leader and one of the most respected players on the team for a set of question marks with potential. Yes, nobody really knows what they have...but it sure seems like the Angels have made it a point to go with those guys repeatedly, and are constantly clearing spaces for them. For Kendrick, they cleared out Kennedy. For Kotchman/Morales they hid Erstad. They let Glaus walk to go with McPherson, then instead of getting in on anyone bigger or trading for Crede they tried Figgins, Aybar, and had Wood play 3rd base in the minors. They let Washburn walk because they were confident their young guys could replace him. They let Percival walk to move in K-Rod. And even when they try to do so, with that Tejada deal, something winds up killing it. The Angels, for better or worse, are NOT trading away their young guys in a fair deal no matter how much we may want them to. They are like the opposite of the D-Rays; they hold onto their young guys come hell or high water and let their peak value time pass that way; the D-Rays hold onto guys until they're a year from FA until their peak value has passed. Either way, you need to overpay to get one of their key group, and that ain't changing.

And while we're at it, Lowell's back in Boston and Rivera is back in NY.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 07:31 PM) A lot of ifs here...but can anybody see ANOTHER deal with the Angels involving PK? I know they need/want a bat...so if things fall through on all their other fronts...it wouldn't surprise me to hear the PK to the Angels for Kotch and whoever. I think it says a lot about the Halos that this strikes me as the first major trade they've made in a couple offseasons (anyone else think of any?) and they didn't give up one of their young guys; they gave up one of their veteran older guys who was blocking their young guy.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 07:09 PM) I can't really think off the top of my head any other team that has a plethora of leadoff hitters and use for a 3rd baseman. If the Dodgers didn't want to go with Laroche they could consider a Pierre for Crede deal (but the Sox would have to get a good amount of cash and still I don't think I'd make the deal but Ozzie may push that sort of deal). God I just hate the idea of going after Juan Pierre v 1.0 when we already have Juan Pierre v. 2.0, the faster, cheaper, and better operating version already.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 07:10 PM) Nothing quite like paying $10M a year for a guy who isn't even good enough to make your playoff roster. And who winds up in the Mitchell report.

So, it's not exactly new trade related news, but I thought it was kinda cute.