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QUOTE(thedoctor @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 10:14 AM) to get anyone to take contreras he's going to need to show something the rest of the way. i'm not sure that's possible, but it's not like we haven't seen him go from real bad to real good in a short stretch of time before. Even if Jose was good the rest of the way, I still don't think anyone would take a chance on him without us picking up a good portion of his contract. And if he was good enough for someone to be interested ,there's no way the Sox would deal him for the bottom-dollar price we'd have to accept back in terms of talent. Our only hope on Jose is that he figures things out before next season. End of story.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 10:04 AM) I honestly am close to buying into Jerry Owens. He's showed glimpses of power I didn't know he had (especially the opposite field gapper he hit the other day), he's taking pitches well, he obviously can steal bases, and he can bunt. He's played a solid center field. Obviously I would have preferred Brian to be the one to be our future at CF because of his considerable defensive skills, but he isn't going to get that chance. Given what Owens has shown us and how he has improved, I'd rather give him the gig than exhaust our limited resources bringing in someone who would do a similar job. Whether people here like it or not, if all Owens does is hit .270 or above the rest of this season, he's shown enough to be a starting OF next year for the Sox. He still has a lot he can work on, and hopefully he doesn't screw around this offseason and plays some winterball to work on bunting and stolen base technique to make himself even more of a threat. If all he can do is turn himself into a healthy version of what Podsednik was, then he helps this team tremendously.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 09:58 AM) Wait till next year! Where have I heard that before? Every year in Chicago until 2005. When next year arrived for 1/2 the city. And in about 30 or so other baseball cities every year.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 09:51 AM) Of course legal is the way to go. I think that should be the way. I just don't like peoples attitudes about people who come here ilegally. There just poor people trying to better there lives. You have people saying we should "round" them up and so forth. I really don't think that Ilegal immigration is that serious of a problem anyway. Here even I have to disagree, and I'll do so on the behalf of the immigrants themselves. Think about the conditions these people are enduring (the ones who are actually crossing the southern border and not the 1/2 of them or so overstaying Visas). They are crossing the border either in the middle of the desert or stuffed somewhere into vehicles. They are taking work with employers who are willing to break the law. And then they are essentially totally at the mercy of those employers, because those employers could have them deported by tipping off the authorities. They work with no protection. There are no labor laws, no workplace protections that protect them. They can be put in the harshest conditions, sweatshops, no health care, and even wind up dead, because they aren't protected by the law from their employers. No one in good conscience can possibly defend a system which allows people to work and live without the protection of the law.

Link to World Meteorological Assoc.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 09:44 AM) Way too little. Way too late. At least it gives us some hope for next year. And the way the kiddies have been playing lately certainly seems to cut down on the # of holes to fill.

Very very sad...always provided some "waiting in line @ the grocery store" entertainment.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 05:09 AM) 25 vermin, not counting the coaches. How many others are on the DL?

QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 01:35 AM) Contreras is going to be impossible to move in the offseason. Unless we pick up $10 mil + of his contract and take back less than we got for Iguchi, then I've fixed that for you. Jose Contreras is simply unmovable right now unless we pay his contract anyway, and people need to get that through their heads. A few really really good starts down the stretch might change what we get back, but after this season, no one out there is going to risk taking on his contract unless we're paying 1/2.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Aug 7, 2007 -> 08:37 AM) SS I'd take a flyer on Jack Wilson. There's a reason why the Tigers wanted to pick him up. At worst, he'd be a good #8 hitter who could handle the bat and play above avg, solid defense. At best, he could hit #2. Otherwise, the Sox might be stuck w/ Uribe. Defensively, Wilson may be a little bit better than Uribe. Offensively, Wilson may be a little bit worse than Uribe. And Wilson has both a longer contract and one more expensive.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 08:45 PM) I'll take it, but I was hoping that it was Kerry Wood's comeback would be the reason for the inevitable demise. Soriano did get hurt in the game he made his debut right? Or like right afterwards? The bug may have just jumped to a different person...

QUOTE(striker62704 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 08:43 PM) I think we have to offer up Crede for one of LAA's shortstops. Maybe a packaged deal that brings us Figgins and Avayar for Crede and some prospects or something. I'm sure it will be hard to pry Figgins away from there though. Joe Crede will not bring this team anything in a trade until May at the earliest. Absolutely nothing.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 08:31 PM) Well, the rules are hypocritical and wrong. Unfortunately, the rules are in place probably for a reason, and it probably has something to do with the hyper-proselytizing that went on in the Air Force Academy for a bunch of years back around the turn of the century that was publicicized a few years ago. Because without the rules, people abused their position.

I'm still not sold on the idea that adding a "veteran reliever" of some sort is the way to fix the bullpen. Bullpen performance is just so variable. The biggest bullpen name on the market other than a closer would probably be LInebrink, but he's having an off year and giving up a lot of home runs, no where near as automatic as he was last year. Right now, I can look at the Sox and see us already having at least 9 guys, 8 of whom are under our control for next year, who could be solid relievers, not even counting Masset and Sisco who are working as starters right now. Jenks Thornton Logan MMac Aardsma Wasserman Russell Haeger Bukvich I think the reality is, even with the guys we have right now, if we replayed this season, or took the same bullpen into next season, we would see better results 99/100 times. That just seems to be the way with bullpen pitchers; sometimes they have very bad years in ways you can't predict. It might be nice to add one name to that list, but I don't really want us spending $4/20 or $5/25 on Linebrink and then watching his home run problem get even worse when he hits the Cell instead of Petco. Of course, if we could get our hands on Rivera...I'd be happier...

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 08:09 PM) Did you mean 4 OF candidates the Sox currently have, or the Sox currently have candidates to be 4th OFer's?? Bob I could 4 candidates to actually be an OF next year, 2 of which I acutally think are pretty good (Fields and Owens). Anderson and Sweeney are at least 2 other candidates, they're just not very good options right now. Dye would fill that in.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 07:43 PM) I would be in favor of dealing Thome. Love what he's done in baseball, but he's Mike Sweeney-ish now with his back. I don't see why he's a lock to return. Because he has a no trade clause, and when he was traded from Philly, he said he would only waive it to go to Chicago or Cleveland.

MRI finds small tear in Soriano's quad. Out to at least Labor day.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 07:10 PM) well, odds are that rowand would give the white sox a discount. It's no secret that he'd like to come back to chicago, and that KW and the org. would like him back. $12 mil a year may well be a discount for the Sox, with the way he's hit this year.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) I agree with that. They would have to "throw in" Bedard I actaully think a Jose/Gio deal could be semi-realistic. I really don't like the idea of giving up young pitching for old position players unless we think they're the single, last piece, but I could at least understand why we'd do that deal, and wouldn't want to kill anyone.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 06:56 PM) Between all of the FA CF: Cameron, Hunter, Byrnes, Jones... Rowand makes the most sense. With the money they're all likely to get, I don't really know if any of them make sense. I have trouble thinking that a $12 mil a year + center fielder is going to work on this team salary-wise.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 06:58 PM) Anyone know how deep the SP's available in Free Agency this off-season is? If it isn't, some team with a hole in their rotation, may just decide to take a chance on Jose, stranger things have happened before. Some team in the NL in a good pitching envrionment may possibly think he could rebound. Not for that contract they won't. No one will take a chance on Jose for $10 mil a year for 2 years. If the White Sox paid 1/2 and the team didn't have to give up any real talent, then we could probably work something out...but us paying 1/2 removes all reason for trading him in the first place.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) not if one of them is Jose. If Jose is traded and Tejada and Dye are added, then you will need 3 starting pitchers to be traded, because trading Jose does not clear salary.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) I think Lucy will be added to the 40 man and will see a lot of action behind the plate come september. If Lucy gets added, that means there would be 2 opening left. My guess is that one would be Broadway and another one of Egbert or Gonzalez, probably Egbert (More polished, Gio would just move up to Charlotte to replace Broaday). Also, speaking of people who will get playing time in September, it would be a good opportunity to see Oneli pitch, and maybe be a candidate for the pen next season. I was really getting a feeling that Russell might get a chance in the pen in September as well.

QUOTE(rowandrules83 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 02:58 PM) I saw on HBO the creator of "The Clear" (the stuff Bonds was allegedly on), and he said that it has been scientific researched, and proven that "the clear" improves not only muscle growth and repair, but also improves bat speed and hand-eye coordination, FWIW. Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to agree with this, there is no study out there which even comes close to analyzing the conditions under which MLB and other sport players have abused these things, because it's so incredibly illegal to do these things at the doses they're taking them @. We're talking dosages dozens of times, if not more than that, what the legitimate prescribed dose would be, of things like HGH. And there is never going to be a double-blind study of things like THG abuse combined with weight training, because its so illegal, so the only thing we have to really go on is anecdotes. The science isn't there, and never will be.

QUOTE(SoxPride56 @ Aug 6, 2007 -> 02:46 PM) If we find a way to get Jose $10 Mil off the books, it would be cheaper to have Tejada and Floyd then it would to have Uribe and Jose. There is no team in baseball who is going to take Jose Contreras off of the White Sox's hands right now without the Sox paying $10 mil or more of his contract, IMO. If he had a few solid starts down the stretch, maybe, but right now, there isn't a chance anyone wants that contract.