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Owens, CF Cintron, 2b Thome, DH Dye, RF Pierzynski, C Fields, 3B Podsednik, LF Uribe, SS Mackowiak, 1b Garland, P Johnson, LF Zaun, C Rios, RF Glaus, 3B Wells, CF Thomas, DH Hill, 2B Stairs 1b (crap, he's still in the league!) Clayton, SS (Him too?!) Towers, P

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:09 PM) That's it? The Phillies just lost their starting 2B and got the best available 2B on the market for a single A player. Wouldn't we have gotten more by just letting Iguchi walk? (Note: I'm only on page 2, so maybe these things have been covered already) Iguchi was my favorite player on the Sox. It seems the answer has been confirmed to be "No" we would not have gotten anything by letting Tad walk, due to the way contracts are constructed with Japanese Free Agents that allow them out of their contracts before they would have enough MLB Service time.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:09 PM) Can Uribe be thrown in too? The Mets have an ok player at shortstop

"Oh my God! I hope no one posts this on Youtube!"

I wonder if we could send Cintron to the Mets now...

QUOTE(Chopper2Hopper @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:54 PM) Any chance for Richar to be up tonight to start? From Buffalo NY to Chicago in like 3 hours? I doubt they'd pull that off.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:46 PM) i expected a little more....we would have gotten draft picks for iguchi...assuming we offered arbitration...here are the new rules The issue with Iguchi is not the new arbitration rules. If we understand the way Japanese FA's tend to have their contracts structured, they sign an initial contract for x number of years at y dollars, but normally, being in MLB for x years doesn't give you enough service time to become a Free Agent again. So, to avoid being locked into arbitration for 6 years with the same team that signed you, there is usually a clause inserted requiring either the team to resign you to another contract by some date or to grant you a full release so that you can become a FA again. The only question is how exactly Iguchi's contract was structured. He would not have enough MLB service time to become a free agent without some sort of this clause.

Given that Iguchi was traded today, Richar is probably on his way to Chicago right now. Therefore, here are what I think are Danny's final numbers for Charlotte: 133 AB's, 46 hits, 5 doubles, 4 triples, 5 home runs, 10 BB's, 4/4 SB's, 24 k's, 15 RBI, .346/.400/.556/.956

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:43 PM) What kind of deal is this? This is not a good trade IMO and I am not sure just how this is supposed to be helping us unless we sign Dye and Crede. We trade a pretty good 2Bman and keep an overweight underperforming SS? I wonder if there was ever any thought or effort to keep Tad? Holding onto Tad next year would have been pretty darn silly, with Richar already available and doing well in AAA for less money and with Tad's seemingly declining skills.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:42 PM) well, hate is the wrong word. I should say he things it is very stupid and a bad trade. Understood, but like I said, the down side of this deal, unless Tad could somehow have brought A level draft compensation, is minimal. If nothing else, the Sox save a $ million or so and open up a slot for Richar. So even if it was a bad trade and is stupid, it doesn't hurt us that much. Just would have been nice to get someone with a little bit better prospects to make it to MLB eventuall.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:37 PM) My Dad hates this trade, and he is uaully right about this stuff... hopefully he is wrong this time. Depending on how the draft pick issue works out, this is a hard trade to "Hate". Hating a deal is what you do when you give up Liriano, Bonser, and Nathan for Pierzynski, or Kazmir for V. Zambrano. It's not like we're giving up a ton here, we're just not getting a ton back.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:33 PM) Dubee might also be part of a bigger package before the deadline, too. Ya never know. Why would some other team want him?

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:30 PM) Soooo, where does Lofton play? Is he just a 4th OF??? I would assume he takes over LF and Michaels becomes a 4th OF. They sent down OF Ben Francisco as well.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:30 PM) This trade wasn't about what we got back - it's about opening the position for Richar. To think, we'd get anything more than a mid-level (if he's even that) prospect for a struggling player on the last year of his contract is unrealistic, and wishful thinking. Hopefully, the White Sox are smart enough to get an extended look at Richar for the remainder of the season. See, that's the problem, I don't think anyone here would complain if we got back something we'd consider to be a "Mid-level" guy, but aside from the k/9IP, this guy doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like a RP who we'll be lucky if he ever sees the big leagues.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:24 PM) Why, this is a good thing we traded him. I was fearful we'd bring him back. We need someone who can play better defense and not absolutely suck vs LHP. Still seems like we should have been able to get better than 18th round draft value for Tad. Anyway, at least Danny gets 2 months to start adapting to the bigs.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) As it's already been said in this thread, we wouldn't get draft picks in compensation for Gooch this winter. Rotoworld sure seems to think so?

Press Release

Calm it down folks...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:14 PM) Again, what did you expect for a poor defensive player in the last year of his contract, hitting .250 with only 6 home runs and 30 RBI. What exactly? I dunno, but seriously, I think the Mets may kick themselves a little bit for letting a guy go to the Phillies to fill the same hole in their lineup that the mets have for this price.

Anyone wonder if the Mets are thinking "That's all it would have taken"?

QUOTE(soxchick1224 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:10 PM) Who is going to be playing 2nd now?! Danny Richar, acquired from the D-Backs AAA team a month or so ago for Aaron Cunningham.

PhuturePhillies.com interviews Kevin Goldstein of BP:

Any chance there's a PTBNL or anything hooked onto this deal?

Dubee's numbers this season: 30 games, 55.2 IP, 4-4, 3.88 ERA, 55 hits, 22 walks, 24 ER, 54 strikeouts, GO/AO 1.62, 2 hr, .248 Batting against.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 02:04 PM) would we have gotten draft picks for gooch? isn't picks> dubee? If Tad wound up a B level FA, he'd bring back a sandwich pick.