Balta1701

For reference, if he had to be taken out last night, he should sit today, but bah I can't think of any other recent examples of a person pushing themselves to come back from an injury and then something worse happening.

7 scoreless innings at A-ball for him last night. Impressed that he's this ready to come out and throw good numbers of pitches.

I still can't figure out what happened with Jay. How do you sign a guy in December and then just have them not be ready in February, March, April, or May, without someone saying "oops he got hurt doing this"?

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Last night is everything I hate about the free agency superteams. Look at how good of a game that was, and realize that it wouldn't have happened at all had one of the best players in the NBA not gotten hurt.

5th fewest in baseball

One thought I'd add about the raw comparison - that team was excellent defensively, and it's entirely possible that we are looking at defensive stats that are being calculated before modern position tracking measurements were done, giving lower numbers than what we'd see if a team played comparable ball today. There's certainly no framing data in there, and I'd bet you our catchers were pretty good at that.

He's an all star unless he gets hurt. This is spectacular. Whether he starts or not will depend a lot on who is on regular rest when the game hits, but he's our all star.

This specific question is also named "The Washington Nationals".

Frankly, with the fact that the White Sox seem good enough to actually make an attempt at this next year, maybe, maybe, madrigal can be a nonterrible option at 2b, there's a clear way forward. Vaughn comes up early next year, Abreu is signed for a year to be DH, what else do we need? One left handed starter (Keuchel or Bumgarner), a left handed right fielder, and a couple reliable relievers. This can be done. If Madrigal isn't ready then give Gennett a 1 year deal, and you know who has an overpaid LH hitting RF they'd part with while paying a portion of the salary? The Cubs. If we trade Colome, we need another reliever next offseason, and if we're targeting someone who is close to the big leagues we won't get anyone better than Cordell for him. Unlike most teams in the big leagues, money is no object for our franchise right now since the salary commits are so low, so Colome is worth more to us than he is in a trade. I think the logic suggests keeping him. That doesn't justify trading for him, but an honest appraisal of his talents and costs says he's worth more to us than to most other teams in the big leagues since $9 million next year is a pittance and our bullpen needs decent arms.

Virtually no team looking to acquire him is going to care about that number of saves. People have literally said here in this thread that if teams are acquiring him, they;re probably acquiring him for the 7th or 8th innings, and they are going to look at his overall stats. Even if they look at number of saves, they're also going to say that his save number probably is gonna get worse just like the BABIP. They're going to see a guy who is good, but not elite or legendary or premium like people somehow need to imagine on here. A piece that can help them, but comparable to several other options on the market. He has value, but if people are expecting a top 100 prospect back for him they may as just be ready to hold him for next year. Right now, Madrigal is a borderline top 100 guy, he'll probably fall off some people's top 100 lists, and if the White Sox were leading the wild card race right now and needed bullpen help I wouldn't even come close to giving up Madrigal to add Colome. He's a solid bullpen pitcher, but there are 3 or 4 solid bullpen pitchers available right now. Somehow calling him anything other than premium, elite, teh bezt, is an insult to him, and so I have to be the one who is insulting our players other than Giolito by saying "Good but not an all star".

If he's this good so far, he can start adding in other pitches over time. That's literally what Sale and Quintana both did.

They wouldn't have him listed if he wasn't going. This is getting kinda surprising, maybe they have some reason to think the Super-2 deadline could be extra late this year?

I don't think this is a bad idea, FWIW.

This kid is hella impressive.

Ok, you really want to go with this? The guy who is 72nd in the big leagues in fWAR amongst relievers right now, tied with f***ing Matt Albers, is a premium relief pitcher and the best pitcher on the trade market? Seriously, you guys are the mirror image of Ron with Abreu. No matter what Abreu does, he clearly will never like him, he's a solid player, he's not great, but he's not as finished as Ron would say. But You guys are the exact opposite players like Colome. He must absolutely be the best because you said so. He's a solid player, and that means he must be the only one in the big leagues. You wanna call Luca$ an elite pitcher? Be my guest.

He is definitely reliable but he's also not a premier relief pitcher. He puts up an ERA around 3 every year and is tolerable but not spectacular in a closing role. The only way we could plausibly argue he was a "Premier" relief pitcher was if he was suddenly better this year and putting up a sub 2 ERA, which is what he was doing when this thread started, but it's climbing back up into the normal range for him, as expected.

There could be something I'm missing but I think he might be a "Launch angle" guy. His BABIP is identical to the one he put up last season, his HR/Fly Ball rate spiked last year but this year isn't as high as last year, basically it looks like he's just taking better swings and having the ball go farther when he makes contact each of the last 2 years, getting better each year.

By a Reinsdorf owned franchise though?

How are Greene and Holland not as good or better? Both are cheaper this year, Greene has 2 years of control, Greene is pitching comparable to Colome this year, Holland is pitching better. Last year at the trade deadline, Soria had only a few months remaining on his contract at a salary of $9 million. He had a 2.56 ERA, a walk rate matching Colome's this year, and a better strikeout rate. Soria's ERA was slightly worse than Colome's is right now, but the advanced stats all like that Soria was more likely to strike an opponent out, leaving Soria with better FIP numbers. Colome is being supported right now by a .130 BABIP, his career number is .283, so his numbers scream regression coming. Colome is making $7.35 million this year, so this year he is slightly cheaper than Soria last year. Yes, he has an arb year available for next year, but that option is expensive enough that some teams won't want to pay it, meaning that his value is limited in trades next offseason. So overall, Colome is on paper putting up an ERA comparable to Soria with worse peripherals, but he has an extra year of expensive control. A team that is willing to spend the money over 2 years might value a Colome more, a team that wants the best reliever they can find or a team who has salary limits would prefer 2018 Soria.

This is literally to the letter how we wound up with Ryan Cordell.

If Keuchel has a solid 3 month stint with the Braves then this is actually good for us. He would become another reliable LH starter on the FA market for 2020 when we clearly need to go buy one.

I don't disagree with that, but I think his value is only slightly higher than that of Soria last year, and so far it looks to my eyes like there are more relievers on the market this year than last. If we're waiting for a "top 100 prospect" in return for him, we'll be holding him, because if a team was willing to part with a top 100 prospect for a reliever they'll go talk to the Mets.

Yeah but I can say the same thing about that group and the year 2000. 2001 was when Frank tore his bicep. 2002 both Konerko and Thomas's numbers are down, 2003 was Konerko's terrible year, 2004 was the year Frank and Magglio both got hurt.