Balta1701

I don't know this part of the CBA, but there's a good chance that the union included some sort of prohibition against "arbitrary and capricious" behavior on the part of the owners, such that if you did keep a guy like that in the minors for a whole year+, you'd be challenged in arbitration under that standard with a good chance of losing. One big reason why the White Sox wouldn't want to be the team that did this - if there was a challenge and the team lost, they've now rewritten the rulebooks for other players, and we know that this organization does not want to do that.

It would also be very nice for y'all to be right and Madrigal starts raking early this year, including showing extra-base power.

More at link http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26089271/mlb-prepared-ditch-clock-2022

if this was just the first time for him we'd still be going "oh no", hoping for the best but fearing the worst. @ptatchas often said that the trainers may be able to tell by feel whether something is torn even before the MRI, so the org probably has a good idea even before that. Dunning's a special case in that we know he had a partial tear last summer that they rehabbed, so having this crop up within the first few days of pitching the next spring training - he's almost certainly headed for TJS as rehab last year clearly did not solve the issue.

Get why you opened the thread - does this fit the Futuresox forum more than PHT?

Is there something other than this arm difficulty that has hit Dunning, some shoulder problem or something? Has he had TJS before? Because this just seems like a recurrence of what he was dealing with last year, where last year's time off just wasn't enough to heal the damage. Because the solution is TJS, and if that takes - it was one injury that they could have dealt with last year, decided to rehab rather than opting for surgery, and then were proven wrong. At least this one costs no service time.

Jesus can you imagine the numbers he'd put up in Coors?

RC Cola has so many titles in such a short time no wonder they are royalty.

I think they have to be able to put a dollar amount on anything that is offered for the purposes of calculating the luxury tax. I'm not sure the union is OK with that.

Really no he isn't. fWAR over the last 4 years: Arenado 20.9, Machado 21.7.

I absolutely believe that if one team was that high and no one else was close, Boras would not just sit on it for a few days, he would get that deal done. He might ask the team to slightly adjust the details, but he's not going to let $350+ sit out there to see if something better comes along, not at this point in the season.

Honestly it's such a mess predicting them that far out that I'm not sure I even want to try - just to illustrate, Rodon is a FA after 2021, do we even know if we'd want him back? But anyway, Lindor, Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, Corey Seager, Correa, Syndergaard, Conforto, Trevor Story, Anthony Rizzo, Sal Perez, Freddie Freeman, Chris Archer, Arenado if he opts out, Kluber, Scherzer. Some of those guys will break down, sign extensions, or even just retire - I didn't include Kershaw since I doubt he pitches past that year. That's also the potential lockout/strike offseason.

Maybe for some reason the agent is more confident than I am about a CBA deal happening.

Well if we were still being reasonable, the other answer next offseason is frontline starting pitching. Of course, the White Sox still have a ton of starting pitching...and there's the minor problem of the Red Sox, Yankees, and Astros all needing starting pitching next offseason...

Honestly, I did not think the Rockies would come forward with that kind of money.

It's rather interesting that he'd take an opt-out after year 3 - assuming that means 3 years from now and there's nothing misinterpreted there - because that is the CBA expiration offseason. He could opt out and wind up stuck in the strike with no contract.

That offer contains more guaranteed money than the White Sox offered Machado and Arenado had a year left before free agency.

Their tax situation is pretty rough next year, decent chance they're 3rd year offenders even without Rendon.

FWIW, I split the Arenado stuff into a new thread so that it doesn't just become buried here.

And that Madrigal is a solid 2b.

Kudos to the Rockies for doing what they needed to do.

If the Rockies genuinely put that on the table now then compliments to the Rockies for at least trying to take care of one of their players. If Arenado really wants to leave there's not much they can do, but they did their job.

A $20 million discount in exchange for avoiding this FA market and avoiding injury risk, locking up $200 million securely for the career? That seems entirely reasonable, unless he hates COL. A good reply to that from Arenado's side might even be adding a year at the end with a vesting option.

With the risk on the FA market right now and the risk of injury and the worry of the coors effect and another 3b on the market right now, he should absolutely take that unless he's really desperate to get out of Colorado. At the most it's a small discount.

How many public statements have the Giants or Dodgers made about Harper even though they're at least tangentially involved in discussions with Boras? It's pretty close to 0 right?