Balta1701

And yet the White Sox didn't take advantage of that loophole with Moncada and you're totally ok with that for some confusing reason.

No, you said that. The post I quoted from you just justified why the White Sox should "Be patient, get the extra year of control" with Eloy Jiminez. Your words, copied and pasted, no change in context, you just argued for doing that to get the extra year of control with Jiminez. The White Sox could have done that with Moncada and chose not to. Based on your standard, using your words, the White Sox were "impatient". Why were they so impatient with Moncada?

Bringing him up in September is the same as bringing him up on Opening day next year. Bringing him up right now is also the same as opening day next year. To gain an extra year of control, they would need to send a player to the minors for about the first 2 weeks of next season, so no September callup in that case nor could he break camp with the big league team.

So why did they rush Moncada to the big leagues when his numbers in AAA were no where near this dominant? He's a free agent after 2023 because they brought him up last year. Why are they playing this game with the guy who would hit free agency later, not the guy who would be the first big acquisition to get there?

At least to my eyes, the case for moving Garcia isn't "We need pitching prospects", I think your list is a decent one. The case for moving Garcia for whatever return you can get is entirely that this team doesn't look like they're ready in 2019, and that is Garcia's last year before free agency. So, if you can save $10 million on him next year and get a couple of decent players at whatever position, you might as well do that...but I still don't see anyone giving up a couple decent players for him right now.

"A playoff team" is different from a 4 seed, even in that conference.

I see how you guys get to that point, but I'm looking at that roster and thinking they are much more in a fight for 6th-10th crowd, any higher than that is in "let's assume everything goes right" territory, where those things include Lavine becoming a much better player and Parker becoming a much better player and no one getting hurt.

This is a rather impressive ripping by Olney.

If he's still hitting .220 at the end of the season then he won't be breaking a half billion. But if you wanted him to extend right now, you'd have to pay him that much to keep him from the open market. That's the first and obvious reason why he won't be signing an extension right now. Based on his performance this year, I'm still guessing he'll take a lower dollar amount deal but with a 1-2 year opt out.

Unless there is something he's doing clearly wrong then it's completely BS. If there's something he's doing clearly wrong, like when Jose Abreu didn't know where to put his feet at 1b and it took Ventura's staff 2 months to realize it and he almost got himself hurt repeatedly before they woke up, then the question is - why haven't they been coaching him on that during the year+ they've had him? Because it's complete BS. What's frustrating me is that they had a much better excuse to keep Moncada down last year, his numbers were no where near like Jiminez's numbers right now, and yet it seems like theyr'e going to play the service time game here but they didn't with Moncada.

Not unreasonable guesses, assuming he's a great ballplayer: If he was called up right now: 2019: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2020: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2021: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2022: Arb 1 - $12 milion 2023: Arb 2 - $16 million 2024: Arb 3 - $20 million 2025: Free Agent If the White Sox wait until next April: 2019: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2020: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2021: Pre-Arb (<$1 million) 2022: Arb 1 - $12 milion 2023: Arb 2 - $16 million 2024: Arb 3 - $20 million 2025: Arb 4 - $24 million Give or take, if he's called up next April, he can earn about $72 million. You could probably quibble with those numbers by a million or two, it's hard to predict precisely that far out, but I don't think they're off that badly. The way I wrote that deal, the most he could earn is $62 million, and he trades that earnings for the early career $30 million guaranteed.

We recently saw a team sign an extension with a guy before he got called up right? Let's be creative here. Tim Anderson got himself $25 million guaranteed. Jiminez looks a lot more tempting than Anderson. So, go to Jiminez and offer this: 2019: $2 million 2020: $2 million 2021: $2 million 2022: $9 million 2023: $12 million 2024: $15 milllion option/$3 million buyout 2025: $20 million option/$3 million buyout. That's $30 million guaranteed for him as written and he gets some of the money moved up early, that's a little less each year than he'd make if he went to arbitration each of those years so the White Sox save a little, the White Sox get that extra year of control and can stop playing the game with calling him up, and he will only have just finished his 28 year old season when he hits free agency so if he's playing like a guy en route to the Hall of Fame he can still score a half billion dollar contract in 2025. Who does that not work for?

There's what, 8 hours until the trade deadline? No team's going to get a negotiation window, those things almost never happen anyway but they're not going to be able to consummate a deal on August 2nd if they get the contract agreed to.

Sounds remarkably like private insurance.

And there we have it - the Republican Definition of Freedom is the hours spent on the phone fighting to get your insurance company to cover something.

it is a substantially better lightsaber duel.

That they're living and making money solely based on reputation, and the cracks in that reputation are widening.

Pretty soon he's going to snap his fingers while holding the bat and accidentally half of humanity will vanish.

I think it says a lot about this series of 8 main movies that there is substantial and legit discussion whether the 4th, 5th, or 8th movie in the series (in release order) is the worst.

Remember when I said that before his DL stint he didn't deserve to be called up because his OPS was only in the .800s? Stop fooling around and let him start working against big league pitching. How Moncada's callup was earned last year and this one isn't I simply can't fathom.

He'll go somewhere in mid-August and that'll clear a spot for a AAA callup.

Please do not put people who need to build up innings and arms and consistency and repetition in the bullpen.

Whoda thunk that the stuff people needed to scrub from twitter today were posts opposing domestic violence...

Did the super rich pay you to use the biggest font possible? At least on my computer there is a "Paste and match style" option in this forum that avoids disasters like that.

And for that same reason, he should not attempt to sign a 7 year extension as suggested in the original post.