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QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 07:34 PM) eh, I'm not talking about making a wild card, I'm talking about winning the whole damn thing. I'd have to see what the young players are doing in 2018 and how they performed all season before I could make that assessment, especially the pitching staff. This team could actually win the whole **** thing from a Wild Card in 2019 because if things go well they should be getting better as the season goes on. This team will win the whole bleeping thing in 2020 if we don't do anything to f*** it up beforehand.

QUOTE (ecupittfan @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 07:02 PM) I could see Braun wanting to come to the white sox. He is under contract til 2020. Do the brewers have a better chance at winning the world series in that time or do the white sox? There is also a mutual option for 2021 which if he is playing well he might want to stay and the sox would want to keep him. He would have a few years in our window. It depends on how he views the situation. Honestly, do we want him as he had a very average year last year. In general, no, no one wants Ryan Braun. The Brewers would be giving up talent that we'd actually want in order to convince us to take on Ryan Braun. We would be tolerating Ryan Braun, James Shields style.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 05:23 PM) A bunch of it is no matter how bad the Sox are this season, the Royals and Tigers will probably be much worse. They could have an inflated record and a false sense of how close they really are going into 2019 due to the awfulness that will be the Tigers and Royals. Hahn has to look at performance vs the big boys in the AL in order to gauge that, rather than division placement or even how many wins they have. They're going to play the Tigers and Royals 36 times, and winning 20 of those is probably a conservative estimate. For once - it will NOT be a "False sense" of how close we are. With the reinforcements we are bringing up this year and the money we have to spend, and Cleveland losing Miller, this should be a 3-team dogfight in 2019, maybe with all 3 teams having a legit shot at wild cards. And in 2020, everyone else is outgunned.

Ok, so one part of this does make some sense to me. Now that we're getting to the end of January with a market full of FAs who can legitimately make teams better, I was thinking that some of the teams that were close last year, maybe WC challenging teams, could come in and say "one player could legitimately put us in the playoffs now" and make a run at some of these guys. This still is not the case for the White Sox, but my mind went to teams like Arizona and Colorado, the NL wild card teams last year - they could legitimately think that one player could be the difference between a playoff appearance for them and a playoff miss. Once these guys stay out on the market long enough, teams like those will go ahead and make that one move. The Brewers were one I didn't think of, but they fit in this boat also. It's complicated for them because several of the guys remaining are outfielders and the OF is where they're already strong, hence the crazy concepts here. It makes sense that the Brewers are a team pondering how to take advantage of where this market currently is.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 04:53 PM) I have little doubt that both parties will introduce legal law to protected those affected by DACA. Even if that means the wall being part of the deal. The Democrats already offered up some funding on the monument to how much we hate brown people on the southern border. Trump backing away from that deal was where the "we need fewer people from S***hole countries and more people from Norway" conversation came from.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 03:49 PM) But they knew this problem was coming. It wasnt a surprise. This just wasnt a big issue for most people until it appeared to become politically advantageous. Obama and Congress could have passed a law greatly increasing immigrant rights, but I dont seem to recall it being that important then. Like in 2010 when the Dream act passed the house got 55 votes on the floor of the senate?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 03:41 PM) Then why even try this in the first place instead of taking what McConnell offered last week, which is all you ended up with after a shutdown? They'll cave again in three weeks and ICE will begin ripping apart families and deporting people who have known no other country. Like I said, the other hostage is off the table. It's done, it's passed, they actually approved it.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 03:39 PM) Its strange that people cant accept that a minority party cant force the majority party to do things it doesnt want. Democrats have to be really careful not to overplay their hand. This whole mentality of "I need to get everything yesterday" just isnt going to work. I get it. There's legitimately a thousand people losing protection against deportation every day. There should be some urgency here. It will get more urgent every day, but now that's the only focus.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 03:22 PM) In the final analysis, the ten Trump State Dems up for re-election considered their own careers more important than assurance of protecting the DACA kids. We’ll see if any of them get primaried on the left. Probably not. This was still the right call. We can have this fight again in 3 weeks without the second hostage on the table.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 22, 2018 -> 02:52 PM) Seriously, if they are willing to agree to this level of uselessness, then why bother pretending to take a stand at all? Deirdre Walsh ✔ @deirdrewalshcnn .@GOPWhip also made it clear no commitment for House to take up Senate DACA deal, saying any bill had to include funding for the wall and "would not include amnesty" 1:41 PM - Jan 22, 2018 Trump and ICE will deport hundreds of thousands of dreamers in addition to the hundreds of thousands of tps recipients they're already concerning to middle eastern slave camps. They're also looking into how to arrest public officials in sanctuary cities. If the Congressional Democrats won't stand up to ethnic cleansing, what will they stand up for? If it was just a promise to take something up that the Republicans already broke last time I'd be as annoyed as you, but this both opens the government AND takes one of the hostages off the table. Now in 2 weeks we can at least focus on a single major hostage and whether or not they kept an explicit promise.

So overnight and nothing happened? Yeah this thread isn't.

Deporting hundreds of thousands to a country they've never known and tearing families apart entirely because of who they are is exactly what America represents to the rest of the world right now, with good reason, because that's who we are.

The F*** Izzo?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 21, 2018 -> 06:38 PM) Well, in the end...it hasn’t touched Trump. Daf***? You missed the 20+ sexual assault allegations against him?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 21, 2018 -> 08:40 AM) I’m confused here. Are you suggesting the main two pieces would be Cease & Rutherford? Cause if so, the Sox would have made that trade yesterday. The problem is it’s going to cost a lot more than two fringe top 100 types. Rumor is they asked for Acuna from the Braves. And while that was just the initial ask in the discussions, I fully believe the Marlins wouldn’t accept anything less than Robert or Hansen as a headliner from us. That’s a no go for me. If they're asking for Acuna from the Braves, the comparable ask from us as a centerpiece isn't Robert or Hansen, it's Kopech or Jiminez. That's top 10 in baseball as a starting ask.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 11:41 PM) Paying full price for WAR, Fangraphs has him worth $25 million total for his age 30 and 31 seasons. You want to pay him $30 million for his age 33 and 34 seasons. I think that must mean you expect him to be better. Besides, if he is available at that amount, he will have had another not so great year in 2018. Personally, I would rather not have a guy play CF that you would constantly say or think, he would have made that play 4 or 5 years ago, but I guess that's just me. No, I just take into account salary inflation.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 07:04 PM) NBA has to get more aggressive in reducing the incentives for losing, in particular reducing the incentive to be the worst or bottom 3. Not good for the league to punish a team like the Bulls to finish the year with a .400 W-L just because they didn't intentionally avoid having any talent. And of course anyone who likes to watch games hates that so many teams aren't even trying. Here's the problem. Convince me that a #7 seed can even get to the 2nd round, let alone win the title. This is the same problem baseball is starting to see. If a #7 seed has absolutely no shot, then they are stuck in NBA Hell - not good enough to be a finals team, but too good to get a draft pick likely to turn into a star. Unless as a #8 seed you can sign a Lebron James, you have a choice - either be happy filling your stadium as a first round exiting playoff team, or lose. As long as the Warriors and a handful of other teams are superteams, this will remain an unsolvable problem.

Apparently despite hours of tear-inducing statements, a gymnast calling out the president of Michigan State university for looking the other way while girls were being raped, callouts over the head of USA Gymnastics for looking the other way, and multiple legal cases, the 3 cable news networks covered the USA Gymnastics rape cases for something close to 20 minutes total this week. If you'd like to see Aly Raisman's statement, the NY Times printed it in full today.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 05:22 PM) So you think betting $30 million Adam Jones is a better player at 33 and 34 than he was at 30 and 31 makes sense. I don't , and for some reason think he wouldn't be available at the price unless he declines even more. And he he is available at the price you mentioned, he will have had another declining season. Who said anything about him being a better player at 33 and 34? Right now the going rate for 1 WAR is something like $9 million from what was said to me a couple days ago. So, $15 million is me asking him to be a 1.5 WAR player like he was the last 2 years. If we still have a hole at that position, that is reasonable money to me. If one of the guys we have right now puts up a 2 WAR season, then they've made that unnecessary.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 04:16 PM) I have no doubt the White Sox, either next offseason or the offseason after that will spend money like they have never spent before. But $500 million in one offseason for them is laughable. Besides, why would anyone want to pay Adam Jones big money? Declining defense, hasn't put up a 2 fWAR since 2015.l, and will only be older. What counts as big money? He'll be 34 - if he could play a decent CF this year for the Orioles, a 2 year/$30 million deal is roughly fair and that could readily fill our 2019 and 2020 outfield needs, especially if someone like Engel could play themselves into a "decent backup" role. That would then cover 2019 and 2020 and, depending on what he does this year, all of a sudden we bring Robert into the fold. If none of the CF candidates step up this year, that fits our schedule. On the other hand, one of our CF candidates could step up this year, put up a 2 WAR+ season, stay healthy, and make that an unnecessary move. None of them are that far off from that level, but they actually have to do it. If Engel hits .200 again he isn't an option. If Leury and Tilson can't stay healthy then they're not options. That's, again, why we need to play this season out and be ready to hit the ground running in November next year knowing what our needs are.

Another He's on the House Ethics committee also.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 01:33 PM) Haha spot on. Dude Hahn totally got out ahead of the trend a year early. By next year there might be 20-25 teams rebuilding and Hahn has put the Sox miles ahead of that whole pack...about to lap them. Hopefully 2019-2030 isn’t the era of the super teams but the Era Of The Super Team: CWS Honestly, with how these teams look right now, I'm not sure that the idea of a "sustained successful team" really works that well in this era. If it's these 100 win teams destroying the league every year, you have to load up as much as humanly possible to stay with them. That doesn't just mean money, that also means starting off with a strong system for the first year or two when you break through to the playoffs, but then sacrificing that system to hang with the big boys the next couple years before free agency takes too big a toll. That's kinda where the Cubs and Red Sox are right now. Started off with great systems and had to sacrifice it to stay with the next wave of teams. For now, let's just admit we're going to destroy baseball 2020 and 2021 and then figure out the other years once we have another trophy.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 01:04 PM) A three year deal would be amazing IMO. Your talking about his age 32 to 34 seasons. I think he could be roughly a 3 WAR player during that time. And dude would be the perfect veteran to have around all these kids. I always wanted to see the guy in a Sox uniform and I’m all for it if on team friendly terms. There's been talk that 2016 and 2017, when Marte was up and when the Pirates were talking about moving him away from CF some years, did not go over well with him.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 12:54 PM) ftfy The last defense I heard was "He didn't say S***hole he said S***House!". I figured I'd get called out if I used the former. D'Oh.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 20, 2018 -> 11:50 AM) How many years do we think Cutch might get next year? He might be a guy you play in CF for a year and then move to a corner when Robert comes up in hopefully early 2020. Depending on the years and price, I’d be all for him as a transition piece to an internal option like Adolfo or Rutherford. Good god, imagine this lineup. Yes, I also included Machado because why not 1. McCutchen, LF 2. Moncada, 2B 3. Machado, 3B 4. Abreu, 1B 5. Jimenez, RF 6. Delmonico, DH 7. Robert, CF 8. Collins, C 9. Anderson, SS I honestly have no idea. There are articles out there from 2016 about how there had literally never been an MVP who fell off as fast as him and at the age he did. If he has a strong 2017, I could see him anywhere from 3-5 years. If his numbers drop back a little bit, I could see him getting much less than that.