sin city sox fan

Has anyone turned on the TV yet so the Sox can watch some NFL action after this game?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 12:01 PM) Hasn't attendance been great? There weren't 50 percent Tiger fans there last night. No way. Tiger fans don't travel that well. Fan support has been great. Some of the Sox worst pathetic performances have been at home before big crowds. Attendance has been down about 2000 per game compared to last year....but I'm not even talking about numbers. Its attitude and actions that prevail. There are a lot of "White Sox fans" (and I use that term loosely) that I wish would convert to the "other team" in town. I'd rather have 50% of the fans and have them give 100% support to the team than to have 100% of our current fans who only deliver 50% support (if we're lucky). Attitudes prevail upon an organization....I don't care if the environment is an office or a ballpark. If you're a real fan of this organization, you are planning for the 2010 World Series now (although I've already seen people on this board dismissing our chances next season before a game is ever played).

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 27, 2009 -> 10:40 AM) Did you read the thread before posting? The Sox drew 35k last night, even though the team is out of it (some are DET fans I am sure, but not enough to make up 35k). Your idea of the fans not supporting the team is absurd and patently false. Also, are you seriously saying it is the job of the fans to motivate the players? Because I'm pretty sure it should be the other way around. I don't know the particulars of last night crowd....therefore, I didn't comment on it at all. What I said was that most fans "checked out" of this season months ago and all one has to do is look at the archives of this board to see it. As for "fans motivating players" vs. "players motivating fans", I think its a mutual relationship and both should motivate each other. You can contend the players haven't done their job this year (and I'd agree), but I think the "fan support" overall this season has been horrendous and absolutely killed our prospects of saving the season. When most fans are saying things like "you suck", "get rid of them all", and "this team has no chance to win", its definitely not motivating to the team you support. I don't care who you are....when you hear something enough, you start to believe it (why do you think a lot of people think people buy snuggies? because they view enough commercials that tell them its a comfortable item to wear while watching TV). Most kids who get bad grades in school do so because peers or teachers label them as "dumb" and they tend to believe so. I know Ozzie does a lot to try and motivate this team and get them to believe in their abilities. However, when its the voice of 1 vs. an entire fan base, he's fighting a losing battle. Losing sucks....but as Ozzie said in his post game comments its part of the game. However, if the fan base accepts it, the players will too. If you want change, than motivate them to do so.....don't tear down the morale of the team and infiltrate the organization with more of the "we suck" attitude.

Most fans stopped caring about this season months ago......when the fans show apathy towards the team, the team shows apathy towards the game. I don't blame Ozzie for melting down (in fact, I'm glad he did)....however, I can't blame the players for "checking out" when the the majority of the "fan support" did so a few months ago. If we want a winning attitude throughout the organization, it has to exist within the fan base as well.

I'm not even thinking about 2010 until after we win this year's World Series!

I know it would never happen.....but I think the Big Hurt would make an awesome hitting coach!!

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) It's not as fun to watch at times like this where the Sox have no shot at the playoffs, but it's certainly a lot more relaxing. How do you figure that there's no chance at the playoffs? Granted....the odds are against us, but if we 17-7 over the final 24 games and 6 of those wins are against the Tigers, we are in the postseason. Thats not out of the question.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 02:08 PM) the whole idea that you believe we HAVE a chance just tickles me. But i envy your un-jaded sense of hope. We have 6 games left against Detroit....even if we go 5-1 in those games, we have a realistic shot. If we could sweep those games, its almost a dead heat. To give up when thats the case....I just don't understand.

Good job Tony! Keep it up

Come on Pena....we need you to start coming through during the stretch weeks.

Mark seems to be back to normal today.....he's not throwing a perfect game or giving up 8 runs......he's delivering that "bend don't break" performance that is typical of his career.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 01:33 PM) really? Of course.....If we don't play really well over this stretch, there's no chance of postseason.

I'm surprised there isn't more fans here as the Sox start their playoff push. These final 24 games are critical!

Bartolo is doing some work in commercials while gone from the Sox.....

We will miss his bat when the playoffs roll around....no question about it. I just hope we still have enough offense to bring another World Series championship to the south side this season.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 07:53 PM) Just when you thought we could turn this season around the bullpen reminds you there's no chance of that happening. Don't worry....Bobby will save it.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 06:47 PM) Boo to you, sir. Well, I guess that would be a win. I think Ozzie has Jenks in his fantasy league as well

I hope Jenks can get a save this evening....I need one out of him for my fantasy league.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 09:07 AM) I tend to be an Ozzie supporter, but I get tired of the team being "tight" all the time. Isn't one of Ozzie's talents supposed to be loosening up the clubhouse? Steve makes some good arguments in his article, but I think Ozzie gets 2010 for a full year with these new players. If he doesn't get it done, it will be time to seriously consider a new direction. I really think the fault of the team playing "tight" is not on the manager....but rather the press and the fan base. When the city and the fan base is constantly saying "you suck" over and over, it puts a lot of pressure on the team and they tend to underperform. The greatest example of this is the St Louis Cardinals. Over the years, they've gone through a lot of personnel in the clubhouse. They've been managed by Tony LaRussa for many years (who is far being laid back and loose). However, their fan base has always supported them, always been behind them, and (for the most part) not been critical. This results in players being loose and creating a a good environment (that may players really enjoy playing in). If this team is ever to win another world series, it has to have a "loose" attitude again and become a clubhouse that players enjoy being a part of......however, I don't believe that atmosphere stems from the manager.....I believe it is created more by the fan base and the support (or lack of support) that it shows.

QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 08:25 PM) I disagree. I remember times it was a LOT more negative around here. Its never been this negative before. I think it was the worst its been earlier this season and its continually gotten badder as the weeks progressed. I don't care how good you are.....nobody is going to perform well in the face of so much "you suck" adversity.

Might as well trade him right now.....as soon as he throws a pitch thats not a strike, you'll start hearing "fans" say he sucks and is worthless.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 08:17 PM) watching Alexie at SS this season has been bad for the eyes. And I'm sure comments like these help improve his confidence in playing that position.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 08:14 PM) No clutch hitting. Below Mediocre bullpen AT BEST. Terrible defense. This formula will translate to many many lost games!!! Buy this formula now for 105 million!!!!!! This team has definitely bought it because thats all the fans have pitched to it all season long.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 08:09 PM) Sin City, This place was different a long time ago. People were critical of players, but there wasnt the "Im done with this team" post after every bad game or outing. I understand where you are coming from, but a lot of people who have a similar attitude to you just dont feel its worth the time to constantly fight the tide. As long as this attitude permeates the fan base, we will never win another world series. You can only hear "you suck" so many times before you buy into it and thats all this team heard all season long. With the attitude of our fan base, I'm amazed this team is over .500 as is.....they overperformed when you face the facts. However, if they were supported day in and day out, they would likely be 20-25 games over .500 at this time (and about ready to clinch a playoff spot)

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 08:00 PM) I really like your optimism no matter what but do you relly think any player comes here and reads this crap ? If you don't think players visit this board, you are kidding yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if they even visit this site during the games.