BigSqwert

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 23, 2007 -> 08:46 AM) My official stance is centered around point 1. I know there's issues concerning global warming. I also think we should be good patrons of our planet. I'm all for that. But I don't think that we start shutting down our economy, etc. because we don't KNOW what all the effects are and I personally think that we are pretty damn arrogant to think that we can "destroy" the planet like the Goracle and their ilk contend. Why would our economy shut down? Who's proposing that we do that? QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 23, 2007 -> 08:46 AM) As far as the "grant money" issue, I don't think that's entirely true, yet I think the Goracle and people like him feed a frenzy, much like BushCo create a frenzy on the "war on terror" - or at least a Democratic view of it. It's sort of the same thing. What a terrible analogy. Bush needed to convince Congress that we needed to invade Iraq. Al Gore doesn't need to convince the scientists across the world about anything. They're the ones that convinced him, with scientific evidence, that there is a problem.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 04:39 PM) uh, Hillary Clinton was all for it. She voted for authorizing the war. Not for conducting the war in a half-assed way.

Watched "Bobby" pver the weekend. Talk about a star-studded ensemble cast! I haven't seen that many stars in one movie since Pulp Fiction. The movie itself was a 3.5 out of 5.

8 more days till Nip/Tuck....in HD!!

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 01:53 PM) And the Democratic majority congress that ran for office on an end the war campaign theme will approve it. Sadly, you are likely correct.

Can things get worse for Dolphins fans? Ronnie Brown out for the year.

Money well spent:

BTW - Zero% of this can be proven by science: QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 01:32 PM) You could make the world such a better place. If you don't you could go to hell and burn for eternity. Is it worth the risk?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 01:32 PM) What are the negatives about believing in God and living a Christian life? You could make the world such a better place. If you don't you could go to hell and burn for eternity. Is it worth the risk? Go ahead argue the facts, that is fine. Don't give me the "what is the downside?" crap, unless you actually want to practice it consistantly. How do I not "practice it consistently"? I lead a very moral life and treat people equally. I don't need to go to church to be a good person. And once again, the global warming debate is fueled by science. Why you're bringing religion out of left field is beyond me.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 01:25 PM) You're wasting your time Sqwert. That's all I have to say and I think you'll know what I mean. You're right. I'll tend to my tire fire and leave this topic alone.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 01:15 PM) That's OK, I didn't think you would get the similarities of the strawman arguements. The statistical arguements I can handle, the message arguements bother me, but I can understand them. The "what if he is right arguements" don't work for religion or Iraq, why would should they work for Al Gore? Big picture, it is all the same fear-mongering. Because there is a ton of scientific evidence to back his message. And once again, what exactly are the negatives for instituting the change that he and many others are seeking?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 12:48 PM) At least superstitious right? throwing salt over your shoulder, not stepping on cracks, avoiding the number 13 etc... Because after all, if the warnings are right, think of the consequences! Never mind. I'll go start a few tire fires and break a few mercury thermometers over Lake Michigan this weekend. What difference does it make? Perhaps you can also link abortion and immigration to this debate while you're at it.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 12:43 PM) So I take it you are a religious man? Not the least bit.

So what are the negatives if we heed Gore's warnings and his message turns out to be false? Cleaner air and water? Fuel efficient technologies? More expansive forests? Seems like a win-win. If we ignore his warnings and he is right about his message then we all lose.

This is what Al wrote 18 years ago.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 10:29 AM) Isn't it funny though that a guy who uses faulty information, generalizes, oversimplifies, and downright misleads people into thinking that Katrina part 2 will be at their doorstep if they don't change their lightbulb or start riding a bike tomorrow... Once again, an overwhelming majority of scientists across the world agree that global warming is occurring. There is some debate on what the outcomes will be because of the climate change. You make it seem as if he just made all of this up off the top of his head.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 09:21 AM) To summarize, Blago tried to add $8 billion in new taxes, Stroger is trying to add $888 million in new taxes, Daley is trying to add $293 million in new taxes, while the CTA is pushing for another $150 million in funding from a 0.25% sales tax hike. Perhaps all that oil in Iraq will help us pay for everything. It's paying for the war, right?

QUOTE(Cknolls @ Oct 22, 2007 -> 09:43 AM) Research grants? Wouldn't it be easier to "sell" your research ideas based on ideas not in line with man made global warming? Business like "Big Oil" are much more powerful than anything on the contrary.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 21, 2007 -> 12:23 PM) Here's an article from LiveScience that presents both sides. With regards to Mars this is a quote from the link embedded in that section: So based on a full one year of research on Mars this Russian scientist is dismissing man made causes for global warming on Earth? Not very convincing to me.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 01:44 PM) The simple fact that global warming is occuring on other planets in our solar system, that haven't been influenced by man, tells me that it is an unarguable fact the the cause of global warming is caused by the sun. You see, the isn't just 'global' warming ... it's the entire solar system that is warming. As I said earlier, they were growing grapes in England around the year 1000. Mankind didn't bite the big one then, though 'global warming' was certainly happening. That being said, I'm going to get offline for now. I'll check back whenever I get online again. Have a good day. I will end the debate for now as well. Thanks for making it civil.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) Pluto, which isn't even regarded as a planet anymore, isn't the only member of the solar system that is experiencing global warming now. Facts are facts. It is happening throughout the solar system, whether you want to admit it or not. I never refuted that. I even posted something earlier that stated that it is a fact. The quote also stated that a majority of scientists across the world believe that the causes on earth are by man. Why would you not believe the people who study this on a daily basis? What insight do you have to disprove them? Have you been conducting research on your own?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 12:38 PM) However, the fact that global warming is happening on other planets in the solar system is a fact. Like in Pluto where the atmospheric pressure has increased three fold like I quoted above. That seems like a different cause than what we are experiencing here on Earth.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 20, 2007 -> 12:12 PM) I agree with you here. Global warming (caused by changes in the sun), nuclear war or a genetically engineered virus could wipe out the human race. "Could" being the definitive word. We were discussing the causes of global warming, not what the results could be. I doubt Hawking would partake in the film "11th Hour" if he thought humans were not the main cause for global warming. That was the whole premise of the film. I also think it's funny how the opponents of global warming started out as saying it didn't even exist. Now that it's completely obvious that it does they are using other excuses for its existence. Even the most brightest and intelligent scientists in the world cannot convince them otherwise.

I'll take the word from a genius like Stephen Hawking over some guy on a baseball message board: