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You can put it on the board, YES! bye bye blago Now just need to bust Dick Durbin and it's all good.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) It would be a big boost because there would be even more marriages that will need to be ended. legal, then illegal, then legal again, then illegal, then legal $$$$$

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:49 PM) But then I'd have to divorce my wife because my marriage would have no meaning. That has to be bad for the country. yea but it could be a big boost to the divorce lawyer industry if everyone gets divorced because of gay marriage.

Cubs

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 06:57 PM) This is kind of related, but neocons have joined the mainstream media as the most tired political cliches. acutally, the term progressive is by far the most tired (and often least accurate) political cliche

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 05:24 PM) Oh just go f*** yourself, where have I said I'm an anarchist? All I've been saying here is that your black and white view of what holds water academically is remarkably full of crap. This stems from your hilarious notion that every group other than traditional conservatives is anti-intellectual. Lets re-cap portions of this thread: -You said there is a war on intellectualism in the US -I agreed and claimed there are a bunch of dumb neo-cons and liberals. -Lostfan posted that it's not just certain groups which are culprits, it's not that simple. -I agreed, as I may have overstated my opinion, used too broad a brush. - You askd if I actually believed what I type - I said I did and that I care not for far right wing or left wing rhetoric; I do not think it is of quality (I was thinking racist, communist, or facsist type rhetoric) -Then this whole anarchist thing; in which I used a hilarious description of a crazed protestor to show an example of a certain segment which would not be considered an intellectual in the classic sense (which you probably didn't appreciate). -Now, according to you, I think everyone that isn't a conservative is anti-intellectual. Good sir, if anything, your failure to follow a thread within reason is the main issue here. Basically you saw something negative about liberalism early in the thread and got pissed and decided you were going to prove a point. When you failed, your interweb rage boiled over and you resorted to telling me to f*** off (which, I admit, was the best part of the thread). And all this because of Roger Ebert.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) Why are you bringing quantum mechanics into this? anarchy, Heisenberg uncertainty principle I thought a devoted anarchist such as DukeNukeEm would appreciate it

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) You just said anarchy has no intellectual basis... Everything does and doesn't have an intellectual basis. It's a key to the chaos and uncertainty that rules existence as we know it. Nothing is right or wrong in the largest context. Now, I suppose the same could be said of whom is or is not an intellectual. However, I am going restate my view that there is little intellectual value to be found in much of the radical literature out there when put into the context of a realist’s view of the world in political terms. So, yes, the anarchy kid that breaks store windows shouting "no oil for oil!" not only has his slogans mixed up, but is also likely a dimwitted rube; certainly not to be considered an intellectual in the widely understood definition of the word.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 02:47 PM) This isn't true. The most radical right-wing ideal is anarchy, and our international system has been governed by it since the dawn of nations. Finite amounts of value of many pairs of combined variables, when taking into account position and movement, cannot both be known with absolute precision. What’s your point? That you have reached the realization that nation states are not governed by a single global ruling force? Maybe start a new thread about that

Interesting side note to the 2008 elections, Republican Anh Cao defeats indicted Democratic U.S. Rep. William Jefferson in New Orleans congressional district. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081207/D94TPC680.html

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 03:58 AM) Do you believe what you write sometimes? That's an honest question. I do. Before this goes any further, I am going to tell you right now that radical far left-wing ideals do not have any significant level of intellectual integrity. It's more laughable than anything else. Same thing with far right-wing rhetoric. If that bothers, oh well. I don't care.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) Actually, that is not the next step, nor is the recount complete, and you can not say Coleman has won. There are still some 5000 challenged ballots, none of which have been counted yet, all of which will be ruled on within about 2 weeks by the state's election board. The Franken campaign has kept a tally of the recommendation of the local elections commissioners about what to do with each of the challenged ballots. If those recommendations were held up at a 100% rate, they say they'd win by 4 votes.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 05:04 PM) You're not actually disagreeing with me, all my point really is is that the anti-intellectual crowd is too dumb to know whether they're a lib or a neocon or even whether they'd want to be, and usually they just regurgitate political views of people around them. I can usually spot them a mile away and whenever I talk to one of them face to face they either go blank, change the subject, or let me talk endlessly b/c my knowledge compared to theirs is infinite. I just had a conversation with one today in fact. agreed

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 04:55 PM) No, it's not really either one of them. It's basically anyone who would use a word/phrase like "overeducated" or "elitist" (when in reference to someone's education), those type of people don't really fit into either mold because to be honest, almost by definition, they're not really smart enough to know which they'd fall into, and they embrace that ignorance. I really don't understand that and frankly it's f***ing stupid, yet you have certain politicians who draw thunderous applause when they say it. na thats not true. i've met plenty of people who never use words like 'elitist' that are complete idiots and hate anything intellectual. they can't comprehend advanced thought and basically write it off as "doesn't exist, me just repeat what someone else tell me to think. me watch MTV for political news. " there is also the""you're elitist!" crowd. i've been accused of this before by Republicans and I basically agree with them; I am elite.

Recount complete in Minnestota, Coleman wins by 192. 130 votes went missing in a county, so that county isn't verifying their count yet. now the election will likely move to the 'go to court' phase as Franken will try to get more in his tally.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) At first it was funny, but I'm really starting to get sick of/frightened by the war on intellectualism in America. i agree. anti-intellectualism is rampant among liberals and neo-cons.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 08:46 AM) Watched Barney Franks opening remarks today with the Big 3 leaders. I was 3/4 listening to it since I was jamming a Benadryl down my dog's throat and I have a very limited econ background, but I think he basically said the finance committee is going to go forward and work with the big 3 on a bailout because it wouldn't be fair to hold the U.S. hostage to punish those who made the mistake. He cited the new job report (which initially anyways, didn't send the DOW soaring downward, hovering around -80 at the opening bell) and said the effect of the Big 3 not paying their debt at this time would harm the U.S. too much. Now, hopefully one of you econ guys heard it or can read it and translate it, that's an econ layman's interp of it I can translate mr.Barney's position on this; the unions gave the Democrats $850 million in bribes and he is paying them back with $40 billion in bailout money. and basically everyone is bailout crazy now-a-days. there is a long line forming for handouts and every industry is going to want a some tax payer money.

reports are coming out that 6 terrorist gunmen shot in an New Delhi India airport by security forces. reports are early, full story not out yet. BBC retracts: report wrong.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) You know what? I'm not totally sure that the bailouts couldn't have been done correctly, in a well planned, well administered way, if there were good people actually at the top running it. But hey, the guys in Congress keep doing this. George W. wants to invade Iraq to protect us from terra? Who are we to say no. George W.'s guys want an infinite amount of money to save us all? Who are we to say no? If the opposition party, in control of congress, goes along with this merely blaming the evil GW Bush for these bailout disasters is suspsect.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 01:49 PM) Somehow, I find this to be a very fitting denouement to the last 8 years. the Democrats voted for this thing in full. They are in control of congress. Look towards your own party for once. The Democrats are totally pro-bailout.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 10:43 PM) Which secret trillion? There's about two or three of those that I'm aware of. Does anyone understand at all what's really happening here? It's just plain frightful. these bailouts are all a complete disaster

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle5280084.ece if anyone was wondering about the interrogation of the guy they caught truth serum to be used on captured terrorist next.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 06:55 PM) One could have wished someone would have had the same concern about the banks and their hundreds of billions of bailout money. i believe we can now put the bank bailouts into the multiple trillions of bailout dollars category. the 700 billion, the secret 1 trillion, and i'm sure theres more.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 03:28 PM) UAW says they will suspend the Jobs Bank (paying 95% of salary to thousands of workers not actually working), and allow for deferred payments to health care, in addition to the concessions they accepted for 2009, to help the auto industry in the US survive. Linky. IMO these need to be long term changes not just a quick fix which will be reversed after they get the billions of bailout money. The US auto companies need long term stability.