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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:53 AM) Guilty of what exactly? I haven't seen one person say he is guilty of a crime. If the scenario is as I believe it to be, and a campus-wide cover-up is what allowed this story to wait 13 years to break, then I think he and many others are absolutely guilty of criminal negligence.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Kyle, Have you read the testimony? That is a serious question, because Ive been asking for 2 days to be linked to the transcript and so far no one has. The grand jury report is built off of nothing but tons and tons of testimony, and has been linked in this thread like 35 times.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:49 AM) Im arguing that Paterno at least deserves a chance to respond to this, before hes made out to be a monster by everyone. I believe his first response included "beat Nebraska!" after talking about these "poor kids who got involved" like it was their fault.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:42 AM) If Paterno was part of any cover up, not only should he be fired, he should be prosecuted criminally. The only argument Im making, is its way to early to tell right now what exactly happened. I think this puzzle is pretty easy to figure out.

Clearly, and sadly, Sandusky was forced to retire in 1999 by JoePa and PSU to keep this story from being a problem for them. "Jerry, buddy, you gotta stop diddling these kids; we can't have that around campus. You need to retire." Cover it up, save the program. Jerry keeps diddling, because he's sick as s***. "Jerry, you're still doing it? Jesus, man. Well, keep those kids off our campus." Cover it up, save the program. Jerry keeps diddling, because he's sick as s***. "Jerry's at practice again with one of his kids. Sh*t." Cover it up, save the program. PSU and JoePa did nothing, because they didn't want anything to get out. I actually think things could be much, much worse for JoePa and Co. right now, and probably should be. In my mind, their negligence is entirely criminal.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:30 AM) Firing Paterno, not firing Paterno, wont make any difference for the children. You're right, it won't. However, what could have made a difference for the children would have been if Paterno gave a damn about innocent kids being raped. He didn't, he gets fired. Pretty simple. QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:30 AM) So I guess maybe Im more a champion for the innocents than you are, because I want there to be real justice, for the true criminals. I dont care about scapegoats, that is just to obscure the real truth there. And that truth is that Penn State primarily failed these children, not Joe Paterno. You're a champion of jack s***. Joe Paterno is part of the reason PSU failed. Those in charge are being removed, and he certainly is part of that. He knew of continued abuse of children, and decided it wasn't his problem and kept on coaching. He didn't care.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 09:54 AM) Holy s***, Homeland is an incredible show. Yes, yes it is.

Soxbadger. Champion of the people and the accused. I'd rather there had been a champion of innocent boys in this case.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 10:12 AM) McQuery will be coaching on Saturday. What a joke, he's the most at fault of anyone for not going to the police. Edit: Which just continues to prove that Joe Pa is the fall guy. Stop caring about Joe Paterno.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 09:39 AM) Watching the coverage of the riots, I was impressed with one PSU student in particular. He had the balls to tell it like it is (the view of the majority of this thread) while morons were all around him chanting mindless support of Paterno. The ESPN guy even asked him if he felt safe and he answered that he didn't, but felt that someone needed to be reasonable and show that not all of the PSU students are blind apologists (obviously). I know exactly whom you are talking about and I agree entirely.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 09:04 AM) http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11 Christ.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:00 AM) Am I the only one who thinks making Joe Paterno out to be a child molester is QUITE a reach? I think you are the only one who thinks Joe Paterno is being made out to be a child molester.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:00 AM) Funny. I don't think that's OK. I should have said "PSU Students who are rioting".

Wow, this season of Dexter, which had such a terrible debut episode, has really been great the past few weeks, and this Sunday's episode just pushed it to new heights. Dexter has actually flipped, replacing Harry with Brian in his mind means he's going to be evil as f*** for a bit. The idea that someone is emulating the Trinity Killer killings is awesome as well (my money is on the son). Well done, writers, as you've started clicking on the dark humor and the evil that 'Dexter' should be all about... I f***ing love it.

QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 11:44 PM) For what it's worth, The Daily Collegian has been on top of everything tonight. Strongly recommend looking at their twitter feed if you're interested. Thanks. EsPN is so attrocious when it comes to truths. Apparently, PSU students feel 8 year olds being raped and people being fired for knowing about and doing nothing about it is ok, as long as the man donates money for a library and coaches your team since Harry Truman was our President.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) You obviously arent watching TV. They are turning over cars, lightpoles and TV trucks. The police are gassing them. Its a riot. Sorry, apparently ESPN is awful at this. I checked CNN, but it was Piers Morgan interviewing Darrell Hammond.

These dumb bastards on ESPN supporting JoePa. Its amazing the age of consent sans a parent hasn't been raised to at least 21. There are some great points from PSUers, then some drunk idiot talks about how long JoePa has been there.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 10:22 PM) Rioting Also known as peaceful protesting. Sure, said protesting is over a man who did not go above the call of duty to ensure 8 year olds don't get raped, but still, its nit rioting. It is, however, quite stupid.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 06:01 PM) I can't be Balta and SS2K5. Post and post and post and post and post and post and post and post until I get the last word in. I've been posting all f***ing day. If you can't see where I'm coming from then oh well. I'm done with this thread for today. I still have no idea what you're trying to convince anyone of if you don't think he did anything wrong yet still think he should be fired. That's all I'm saying.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) Which is why I agree that he should be fired. Then what is your argument? He did nothing wrong. He should be fired. What are you arguing back and forth for when you clearly have conflicted opinions?

And J4L, let's use your "beating" scenario and make it relate a bit more. Instead of an adult female being beaten, let's say an 8 year old boy tells you he's been beaten by an adult, or you witness it. Is it not your moral obligation to ensure he's taken out of harm's way? Children cannot be expected to shoulder this burden. A responsible adult, or in this case, many responsible adults need to act on the child's behalf to ensure the child is safe for the foreseeable future, and the crimes are not repeated. Everyone who knew and let Sandusky continue to conduct his sick acts while turning a blind eye and doing their minimum responsibility has the rape and molestation of many more boys on THEIR hands. This includes Joe Paterno. "Beat Nebraska!"

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 05:14 PM) Anyway, I damn sure do know that child rape is wrong and that it should be reported, and that if the person I report it to doesn't do anything, I should press the issue. I will demonize people who fail to grasp basic societal obligations. This. And apparently since I agree with you and have stated the exact same thing a number of times, J4L will just quote this and make fun of me.

I won't get my hopes up, because it will just result in rich people not wanting to make a smaller percentage to play games and to own teams that play games. It will result in rich people depriving me of Derrick Rose.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) I immediately call someone much more qualified to handle the situation than myself. Swing and a long one to left...

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) So if your best friend threatens suicide do you automatically call the cops or try to talk to him/her yourself? It's a fine-line. Hm. Totally similar situations. Friend takes some pills, 57 year old man rapes an 8 year old.