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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) You asked where the logical flaw in your conclusion was; unfortunately all your premises were inaccurate. This nonsensical technical bulls*** that you and Balta always bring to the table is far more deserving of a smug emoticon than me telling Steve to take a logics class. The point is that this is not a "but for" argument. You cannot say "But for" Joe Paterno's inaction, Sandusky would have been unable to rape children. You cannot say "But for" Joe Paterno failing to report this to the police, Sandusky would no longer been able to carry on his predatory activities. That is simply not accurate. There are so many people that were in far greater positions to do something about this than Joe Paterno, and yet didn't, and yet you want to say if Paterno had done more, it would not have happened. That's just incredibly far from believable. I want to know why logic is even being brought into a discussion about a man who did nothing to protect innocent 8-12 year old boys from being raped.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) I guess I am a fool then. Because I don't believe it. I'm sorry, but powerful men that run Universities have cell phones and email accounts. They are very important people that communicate with a vast array of subordinates and carry out complex endgames. They are not Joe Paterno. SI Gotta love the "he's old so he's too senile to do anything to help innocent children being raped, despite being the absolute face of PSU" argument.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) So just because people use Facebook to talk about sports instead of using a sports forum, they are morons? Do you not have a Facebook, or do you only thing others are morons for using it, but no, not you? I ignore the mouth-breathers with uneducated opinions who don't stfu as their opinion means nothing to me. While this has been an endless argument at Soxtalk, it's also been an enjoyable and interesting debate involving posters who can pull together coherent thoughts and, mostly, look at the situation in an analytic nature. They aren't people posting stupidity and hoping for "likes".

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Sorry, I wanted to keep it up. Is this a bad time for a "that's what she said" joke? Damn those dark Soxtalk ovelords!

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) Hey, don't sell me short! I was involved. The NCAA season is not over.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Joe Paterno's inaction is a necessary condition for Sandusky to continue diddiling kids for close to a decade. If he acts, if he presses for an investigation (not even "everything in his power!"), Sandusky is stopped. I don't know how you can contest that Paterno did not hold a huge amount of power in State College, and that if he had pressed for an investigation, it'd be done. Pointing out incorrect premises is not the same as pointing out logical flaws, btw. Take a class in logics Thank you for being a better arguer and less emotional than I would be had I replied. I personally felt it looked fine and dandy, and feel quite strongly that JoePa had a moral obligation he didn't uphold.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) Where did you get the bear from? That's probably the funniest part. Pedobear, man. Pedobear.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) Distorting the truth for the sake of dramatization, that's your habit. Truth: JoePa knew Sandusky was a diddler in 2002. Can you deny this? Truth: Sandusky kept diddling for 9 years. Those are both true, and implicate JoePa in being a bad person who didn't do more than the minimum and did nothing for these children.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) And thank you, sir You are welcome.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:22 PM) We have no idea whether he "happily" kept him around, or whether he did "nothing" to ensure Sandusky stay away from other children. Refuse to understand what really happened; that's your call.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) And the legend continues to grow... It's not a legend. For a minimum of 9 years JoePa knew of Sandusky's disgusting, perverted habit, yet happily kept him around and did nothing to ensure he stay away from other children. It's too bad Joe Paterno and the rest of those scumbags at Penn State couldn't see the forest for the trees, realize they could have stepped up and been heroes, and help put an end to things. Instead, it seems they willingly went along with a cover-up and hoped for the best.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) On the flip side of this, if someone will use Photoshop to create a picture of Paterno with a blatantly false title of "PEDOPHILE" right across it, I will gladly use it through the end of the NCAA football season. Any takers? Well, it's my job around here!

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:52 PM) Damn, shack is going crazy. Just channel your emotions like me. I will sport my new Joe avy for the rest of '11 as a show of support. The venom being spewed at this man is disgusting. Congratulations. Your show of support for a man who cared way more about his reputation as the never-ending head coach of PSU Football than he did about children being violently raped is respectable. You win the award for "Most Ridiculous 2011". It's just so sad that people care so much for a man who happily turned a blind eye to save his precious football team's reputation.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Umm.....yeah, people on Facebook are saying this. I just had a big argument last night w/ some people on Facebook because they said that the PSU students were having a "pro pediphilia rally" and if you think Paterno should not have been fired then you are a child molester just like he is. Trust me, people, at least on Facebook, are ACTUALLY likening what Paterno DIDN'T do to being just as bad as what Sandusky DID do. Why on Earth are you bringing morons on Facebook into this. Next time are you going to post comments posted on the ESPN website?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) And Milk, I'm still waiting to hear what you're implying by saying you would expect those "defending" Paterno to be the ones to do so... Clearly, he's calling you guys douchbags.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) And it's probably going to come out that this is why the police and DA backed off on investigating the coach in 1998 as well. Because it was Penn State Football. State College, PA, baby! "Beat Nebraska!"

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) The worst is yet to come on this one. No question about it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) Well I meant that they knew the full reality of what was going on and for how long and chose PSU football and their own reputations over the past and future victims. Yeah, I'm saying I'm absolutely convinced that PSU was the only thing on the minds of the many around campus who knew what had happened, and a forced retirement and banishment from bringing kids on campus are direct results of a cover-up in action.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) If it shakes out that the cover-up was deliberate and they knew what happened, I'd be comfortable with calling for their football stadium to be burned to the ground. I don't see how the cover-up wouldn't be deliberate. We're at the tip of this iceberg.

It's so easy to click 'quote' and 'reply'. Easier and quicker than typing a screen name.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) Clean the house.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:58 AM) But nobody is saying that, we are all saying there was grounds for termination at this point. That simple fact doesn't allow SB to spew his bulls*** so he is claiming that we are putting JoePa on trial for some sort of crime. Oh yeah, for sure. We're just a message board. JoePa got canned because he and the rest of the administration allowed a monster to continue to roam campus and ruin children's lives. He certainly needed to be canned for that. He's not a "fall-guy", he deserved to be canned. No one can question this. However, I think things are much worse than we know right now.

Mark doesn't owe us a hometown discount. I hope he's back, because he's fun, but I will root for him anywhere.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) Saw a behind the scenes promo of the upcoming season of Shameless. Cannot wait