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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 04:58 PM) Yup. I have luxury box seats. Delicious. Thanks for the invite, dick.

That whole press conference was a joke. Rowand44 he's either a punk or a clown. Loved how he dodged every question, turned it into something else, didn't make any sense with any of the answers. Oh, and "that was in my statement that I didn't write."

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 02:30 PM) I guess jenks's point is that in his perfect world, we would not be upset about women being hospitalized by their fiancees and 4 year olds getting whipped in the testicles with a tree branch. Ahh what a world, free of the oppressive stench of PCism, where you can beat your wife without fear of people being condescending. Perfect. It's his take on every topic. Jenks just hates the whole PC/making a big deal out of anything, so he just tells us or the media to stop talking about it. As "outraged" as people are over Rice, Peterson etc...far more people are more outraged at the NFL/teams attempting to cover it up. When 50% of people think Goodell should lose his job, it's going to be a newsworthy story worth talking about. Not everything is "faux outrage" or whatever you'd like to call it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 08:17 AM) A one-year old child. Jesus. Just don't leave bruises!

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 06:56 AM) I heard Chuck on the DP show and he didn't so much back Peterson as much as he was bashing the media for getting overly self-righteous. He said AP did something wrong, needs to have consequences, and then get back to business. Yes, Chuck, let's blame the media on this one for being concerned about someone that beat the f*** out of a 4 year old (and doesn't appear to be the first time). This isn't a speeding ticket. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 08:08 AM) One thing that is barely mentioned about AP, which makes what he did even worse, was stuffing the kid's mouth with leaves. Obviously he doesn't want others to hear the kid scream. It makes me think he at least had an inkling what he was doing was wrong. I brought that up before, but yes, I agree, right there shows me he was abusing him and getting some sort of emotional satisfaction out of it and was well intot he category of abuse, not just "disciplining."

Someone.Come.Here.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 03:23 PM) Maybe you could ask one of them. What we've heard, and what you've referenced, is Mike Ditka in a 3-second ESPN clip. But I'll bet if you engaged a grandparent or a neighbor in a thoughtful conversation about their experiences it might be worthwhile and you wouldn't say "Go away, old man!" Or Charles Barkley, Reggie Bush, et al. I've talked to grandparents. I've talked to parents, aunts/uncles. However, it's my opinion that hitting a child, especially with a weapon, is not OK. I will never find someone's experience with hitting their child as worthwhile or valuable.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 03:05 PM) You are diminishing their experience, first of all. And secondly, let's not pretend this is that simple. That statement is an oversimplification of the real debate/discussion that needs to occur. And that is what kind of discipline is appropriate? Is physical punishment of any kind appropriate. Are we saying I can't whack my kid on the back of the head with the back of my hand if I see him disrespect an elder or kick a dog or something? Are we saying that a parent doing that is doing more harm than one who calls his kid a jackass for doing the same? It isn't as if all our elders were beaten with sticks. There were varying forms of discipline/punishment that were culturally acceptable. What I believe they are trying to say is that not all of those forms of punishment equated to abusing your child, and actually may have instilled valuable qualities in them. Except they aren't saying that. As you would say, tell them to provide some sort of reason or logic behind it. That's why we said "go away." They are just saying since it happened to me, and "I'm OK" (which is patently false IMO if they end up hitting their kids), it's acceptable.

Marshall's press conference was brutal. No idea why that took place.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) What does "My mama beat me and I think I turned out OK" offer to the conversation? I don't know.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) This has nothing to do with you attacking anyone. And I am not defending anyone. I'm encouraging you to not be so offensive to those who don't share your opinion, or at the least, to substantiate your very strongly worded opinions with some sort of reason or logic. This notion that folks from previous generations who reference their experience with discipline need to "go away" is offensive to me. It offers very little to the conversation and doesn't particularly allow anyone to learn anything. I'm just supposed to agree with you and take your word for it. Well, when it comes to beating a child with a stick or hitting children, my words and opinions can be strong. So be it. I've added plenty since typing the ever-offensive "go away," including reason and logic which you somehow keep ignoring, but asking me to add. And whether you think you are or not, you're defending the "older generation" and presumably people who hit their children, which I don't believe are one in the same.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) Not at all. Because you come off as an obnoxious know-it all on a majority of your posts. You offer very strong opinions, often without any real reasoning or justification behind them. You insult those who disagree with you, and expect them to understand simply because you say so. Whether it is hockey, umpiring, or social issues. I find it irritating, not because I even disagree with your opinion often, but because you so seldom attempt to offer any reasoning/justification for it. I also find it incredibly disrespectful to those from other generations or cultures. I don't know you, but you don't strike me as some social/cultural trailblazer or pioneer. You generally trend liberal on social issues, but you're certainly not offering anything innovative or new. Basically, you're falling right into cultural/generational norms. And yet, you're criticizing those in other cultures/generations for doing the same. I find that irritating and ignorant. This has nothing to do with me disagreeing with you on punishing a child. I am in complete agreement with your opinion on this issue. It is the way in which you are expressing it which I am in disagreement. I've provided my reasoning and justification, and I do in almost every post. Now you're just making stuff up. I haven't attacked you once. As for the rest of your post, go read my edit. You make so many assumptions. I'm not exactly sure who you're defending here.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) You're missing the point entirely. Because I don't agree with your point (or the "I was hit with a stick so it's OK" crowd), I'm missing it. Now seeing your edit - this has nothing to do with the younger generation thinking they are smarter than the older generation. This is about me thinking that hitting a child is wrong. The end. You don't know that I haven't talked to older generations to help form that opinion, do you? Do you think the overwhelming majority of this "older generation" think hitting a child is OK? I doubt it. So, I am listening to the older generation, just not the ones you'd like me to listen to. Your own posts states that research shows it's bad, right? That's coming from an older generation, I presume? If you think hitting a child is OK, go for it. But please stop the nonsense of I'm just a young, ignorant whippersnapper that doesn't understand that it might be OK to hit your kid with a stick until they bleed, so I should listen to these older, wiser people who beat their children with a stick.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) First of all, no one is telling you that you cannot have your own opinions. But you should support them with reason and logic, not just because you say so. That is arrogant and obnoxious. There have been a lot of people that have come before you and faced similar problems before. They have a lot of valuable experience which can be drawn upon. We need to invite everyone to the table and discuss issues and value their opinions and experiences. Not dismiss them out of hand because we are the latest generation with the benefit of the internet and other technologies and more money to spend on studies and develop theories. The overwhelming evidence seems to suggest that corporal punishment, especially extreme corporal punishment, has adverse psychological effects. No one is saying to dig our head in the sand and ignore that. We are always learning, both individually and as a society and as a culture. However, an equally offensive practice is to dismiss out of hand the wealth of knowledge those generations that have come before us have accumulated and pass on to us because "they are old" or because "they are different." While today''s generation of children may be better off as a result of escaping corporal punishment more than their predecessors, they also in many cases lack respect for their parents, their teachers, and their elders, and show a frightening lack of discipline and work ethic. They are overweight, have short attention spans, and are obsessed with instant gratification. Is this the result of the pendulum swinging too far in the opposite direction? I tend to think so. While we may not be harming our children anymore with too much discipline, are we readying them to succeed and be generally good people still? Your bold is EXACTLY why the "I was hit so it's OK" crowd needs to go away. Apply some logic to it, otherwise it's arrogant and obnoxious. I gave my reasons for why I think it's wrong and why it's lazy. It's wrong to hit a child, that's my opinion, disagree if you want, that's OK. As far as the "elders know more than you" argument you're trying to start here, save it. Nonsense. I don't need to be told "hey, actually, hitting your kid is OK." It's not, in my opinion, no matter what some other older person is trying to tell me. I gain nothing from their experience or "knowledge" in this case. If your kids are lazy, overweight, etc. all the things you say, then you're a bad parent, but I don't think the answer is "well had I hit them, everything would be great." It's not hit your kids OR don't parent at all. Hitting a child results in that child then presumably hitting their child. Or hitting their wife (gee where have we seen that?). Violence begets violence. There are other ways to parent to control the things you listed.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 12:06 PM) I despise these sorts of responses. Nothing against you personally, LH, but this is not an acceptable argument in this discussion. I agree with what I think you are trying to say, but no, they do not need to just go away. Believe it or not, not everything that is new is better than what is old, and not everything a future generation comes up with is correct while what the previous generation did was incorrect. It is probably pretty safe to say that utilizing corporal punishment, especially anything greater than "light" corporal punishment, has potentially more harmful psychological effects than helpful lessons learned. However, it seems to me with that there seems to come a trade-off in terms of a lack of discipline and respect taught to children. That crowd absolutely does need to go away. It's a shallow, stupid argument. I did it, so therefore I should do it to my kid. Oh yeah? Your parents did it to you, and now you take it out on them with a stick until they bleed. Good parenting. Sorry, in my book hitting a kid is never OK. You're teaching them the easiest, laziest way to do something, just hit somebody. Which, in turn, makes them hitters to their children. But it's OK because "hey it happened to us." Just because it happened to you does not make it OK whatsoever to do it to your own child. They turn it into a racial and regional thing, as if "you people don't understand," which is nonsense. You know what I understand? That hitting a kid is wrong. You're all bad parents for doing it, no matter what lazy line of reasoning you want to use.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) He was your first round pick and we're in week three of the season. You play Eddie Lacy. That said, given the players you're choosing from for FLEX, it sounds like it's an 8 or 10 teamer, which means YAWN. While I agree you play Lacy, where someone was drafted is absolutely irrelevant once the season starts.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 18, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) I really don't see a big deal with what Winston said. Is it stupid? Yeah. Just like him stealing soda and crab legs. Half a game isn't a real punishment and I don't feel like he should get a real punishment for this. This is getting way overblown by the media. Half a game is certainly a real punishment. What happens if they are trailing at half, or barely lose? That first half could cost them the game, the season, etc. The risk is there, so while not a crazy huge punishment, it's very "real."

Dwyer arrested for domestic violence. I wish I was joking.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) Gloria Allred hosting a press conference with past allegations of domestic violence against Brandon Marshall. Going after Goodell, not Marshall.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) Please, if i was putting words in peoples mouths i would be a lot more creative than that. I never disagreed he was an assclown, I only disagreed that this is worth getting upset or suspended over The point is, no one's outraged here, or even upset. It makes me laugh and just think of him moving up in the ranks of sports idiots.

And apparently ND is pulling out of the Coleman recruitment. Looks like UNLV or Illinois. Down to the final 2. Again.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) OMG A COLLEGE STUDENT SAID SOMETHING IGNORANT. I CANTS BELIEVES IT. This is seriously just looking for stuff to complain about. This is almost as bad as TMZ following Manziel around frat houses looking for him to do something stupid. The only example Winston has to set is to his teammates on the field, he isnt a role model Quit putting words in people's mouths, no one's outraged over this here. No one here suspended him a half, FSU did. They found this serious enough. Our point was just that the guy is a Grade A assclown. This just helps cement that legacy.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 12:57 PM) He is a douche, no doubt, but he didnt commit a crime, he didnt break a law. This is just dumb kid stuff. The rape and theft stuff is perfectly fine to get upset about, but i cant get upset about what he said in front of his friends on campus. But it's after his whole proverbial I've settled down and learned my lesson, I have to be a better leader/set a better example. He's not a kid, this is not a 9 year old. It's not even close to his other actions, but just shows he's an idiot, and doesn't learn anything.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) Coleman coming this weekend as well, big big weekend ahead. Wow. Well then.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) With the fact the guy actually was under investigation for rape and probably should have gotten convicted for it, this is a slap in the face to a good number of people. Not to mention the timing of it. This guy is bigger douche than Johnny Football and I did not think that was possible. Where's soxfan1 to come in again to say "this just isn't like him, I don't think he'd do that, he's a good guy" You are 100% correct, he's a complete clown.