Steff

I haven't had to take my shoes off yet either (2 trips to Florida, 1 to Arizona, 1 to California). Basically.. just pack everything you wont need on the plane (magazines, snacks, etc..). You'll have to turn your cell phone and laptop on and off, but that's about it.

In my world, I follow the rules. With the way things are, I'll lean towards the side of caution. Back in my day.. I didn't take even asprin to school, and I don't ever recall taking my own forks, etc.. either. If it was needed in school.. it was already there. Again, I like you Tex.. and I don't feel this conversation is the least bit benificial, but I felt you deserved a response. But now I'm done.

IMO.. what's best is the kid never be allowed in public school again. Guns, bb, pellet, or live ammo, kill. I don't want innocent children running that kind of risk. I'm choosing to long longer debate this with you Tex, as someone who apparently fails to see the magnitude of this situation, it's kinda making me sick. I'm done.

I fail to see how a midol for cramps or a plastic knife to cut lunch compares to a kid stating he brought a GUN to school to HARM others. NO comparison. Not even close.

Amen QP. That's the root of the problem. And it should be investigated and solved BEFORE this, or any child who resorts to violence as a means to solve a problem, is allowed to socialize with other children. School is a right.. but so is being safe at school. It's a no brainer, to most I would think, which one is more important.

Forever...??? How about starting with the 2 year punishment and go from there. Tex.. why are you taking this to the extreme? The kid has missed less than a year of schooling. Rather than btiching and moaning about it.. his guardians, and him, should be complying, admit that he made a stupid mistake, take the punishment, learn from it, and move on. Instead they are screaming that he's been wronged..?? What was that.. zero tolerance..? Slap him on the hand.. send him back to school.. so that next time he can bring a real gun and kill someone..?

Interesting... so where do you get your information from if you don't trust the media..? You're kinda making a fool of yourself here. If you don't want to give a listen to what he has to say, then don't. But don't call it bulls*** because it's not what the source you choose to believe says... That's hypocritical.

Why is it not the truth..? Because you choose not to believe it..? A bit weak.. no?

Before this goes any further.. I just want to say that I have no idea what the answer is. I don't pretend to have one. I have no idea what I would do in this situation and I feel badly for the kid that he felt he had to resort to this action to stop being bullied. But the rules are the rules. If we don't teach them to follow the rules at 10.. what makes us think they will follow the rules at 20..? Sad situation all around.

I hope I wouldn't be.. and like to think I wont be. Teach your kids right and you don't have these problems.

Why not stick with the home schooling until the 2 years is up and then return him to public school if he's over his rage issues..? I'll admit.. I have no idea what being bullied does to a kid. I was popular and liked and never had issues like this back in my day. But I do know that I did then know that violence was not the answer to anything and all to well the difference between right and wrong. When I was 9 years old my father taught me to shoot a .22 rifle and we went hunting. Yet I knew that guns belonged in the woods or on the range and never ever touched one in the house. This was not something I was taught that I recall.. just common sense. Have things changed so much that it's acceptable for a "kid" to use a gun to defend himself...? Even just to threaten..? An adult would be locked up for assult with a deadly weapon if they went around flashing a gun... no?

Guns are not the only way to kill people.

He didn't actually use it...? Yikes... if I'm a parent that's not a comforting argument.

No idea. But if the policy is no guns at school... then no guns at school. I mean c'mon.. we're not talking about a squirt gun here. And he had intent. Back into society... he was expelled from school not ordered to home confinement. And what does not doing anything wrong in the year since have to do with anything. A pedophile doesn't do wrong while he's in jail.. so let him babysit when he gets out?

Just my $0.02... The kid admitted he brought the gun to school to do harm to another kid. I don't know about any of you.. but my opinion is that when a kid (4th grader.. what's that 9, 10 years old?) comes to school, or anywhere, with something, any type of weapon, to hurt someone else... that kid apparently does not play well with others and doesn't need to be given a second chance to "not get caught"... Carry on.

Nerds

Which is it.. you do or you don't..? Spewing bulls***... :rolly

The games should have been postponed to start with. IMO, of course.

I was talking to 420.. but you'll do..

Talk about ignoring something... do you ever bother to read his lengthy posts..?

Ahhh.. a nice refreshing political debate.

I'm sure... :rolly

Good grief what...??

Are you guys tailgating..?

I talked to him for just a second on Friday. Thanks Jeff. Very nice of you to take the time. Just curious... what did you say to Neal that he kept looking over at me...?