southsider2k5

GME now into the 50's.

If this team goes into a season where they think they can make the playoffs, Lucas Giolito isn't getting dealt. At the very worst the ride out the season and try to resign him. If not, he walks away. This is the same squad that rode out Paul Konerko during a World Series run. They aren't going to do something with Giolito because of his contract status if they think they can win something with him.

And here go the goalposts again. None of this has anything to do with the team trading Giolito in a couple of years. It also ignores a lot of history, but I don't really expect much more here.

I think you are missing the point. The Sox aren't the Rays or A's and aren't going to behave like them in trading off their best players before they become too expensive. The Sox aren't the Dodgers or Yankees where they are ever going to lead the world in spending. There is a middle ground, and we are watching the Sox operate in it, because don't fit into one extreme or the other. We DO have history to go off of, and something called a pandemic which crushed their bottom line last year, so the fact that they aren't spending like the Yankees right now shouldn't be a surprise because the Sox also have always been sensitive to that, but as revenues get back to normal, I full expect the Sox to expand payroll around increasing revenues, just like they have for the last 40 years. But that isn't dramatic, so...

You are inventing imaginary scenarios to get mad about.

So you think the Sox are going to sell their top pitcher because he didn't extend, but then use an example of the Sox trading a prospect for a player NOT under long term control in the same thread. This is what I am talking about. I swear your day job is being the guy stands in front of Old Navy on State St with a loudspeaker preaching about the end of the world for the last 20 years.

If we are playing the "what if" game, when have the Sox ever sold off a top pitcher for prospects during a run of expected contention? Literally the only time I can remember them selling what was viewed as a front of the rotation starter in Mike Sirotka, they got back what they thought was a superior pitcher in David Wells, and not prospects. I am not sure why you are crapping yourself selling a pitcher in 2023 because of 2026, when the expectation is that this should be a contending team, when there is nothing to indicate they will do so. Trying to tie in them not spending this winter to mean they will be selling a few years down the road is just crazy. The only way they are selling at that point is if the team feels they can't compete.

Hey look, there went those goal posts again!

I don't see how. Cleveland cut their payroll in half, trading away everyone on the team making any sort of paycheck. Tampa traded away their best pitcher. What did the Sox do that was equal to that?

You are missing the forest for the trees here. We aren't Cleveland or Tampa. We have never traded away top end players during our competitive times, and we would not be about to start to now, especially if the Sox hit the pitching lottery and Crochet, Kopech, and Cease are all freaking aces. If the Sox are in the playoffs, they dont' GAF about 2026

Then they are coming off of a World Series title and don't GAF about payroll.

If Sox are coming off of playoff appearances or expectations, they are not trading their Lucas Giolito.

Any word yet as to if Vargas cleared?

No one cares about this right now. Sure you try for the extension, but they sure as hell aren't going to trade him if Giolito doesn't extend this winter.

I can't wait for you to start sharing what you were on when you made this post.

Key here is present tense. But there is zero question in the world where the upside lies, and it becomes a philosophical question at that point. Would you rather have a guy with a higher chance of being a 50 to 55 starting pitcher, or a guy whose ceiling is about a 65, but with a higher bust factor? The Sox have made their choice.

So Joc (7) + Q (8) + Colome (5) + 3 million = Hendriks (12) + Rodon (3) + Eaton (8) Former or Latter?

But stats?

A few former Sox organization members in that list.

Also of note, it looks like a woman is Senior Director of Minor League Operations in Grace Guerrero Zwit. I wonder what this means for Jeremy Haber, wasn't he the assistant GM before?

lol, wat? For a dude that is a DH in waiting?

Oof that is a disaster of a scouting report on Yogurt.