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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 20, 2018 -> 09:36 AM) I don't think info anything was withheld from the White Sox about James Shields. I think he just got hurt after. Just bad luck. Otherwise, why weren't we involved in the whole Red Sox and Marlins report and being offered to reverse the trade? Edit: either way, it's in the past now. Let's not dwell on it and talk about the guys still here. I don't think there is any doubt he was hurt. You could see him stretching his back often after pitches and he also started to remake his arm angles to drop down a lot more. The #1 reason pitchers do that is injury. I think how quickly he went down in 17 was a result of finally having to admit to what was wrong all along.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 20, 2018 -> 10:09 AM) The rotation is really going to make or break the team this year from a record standpoint. By mid-season we could have a rotation full of young studs or a ton of question marks. While by no means do I think this happens, but if enough of the kids (Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, & Kopech) take positive steps forward this team could see a Twins like improvement in 2018. Obviously we're more likely to see a mix of good & bad outcomes, but it's going to be exciting as hell to follow this young staff next year. If we have seen anything is that this will not be linear. They are all question marks, and they probably will still be after this season. Even a guy like Rodon who has been doing this for years still has his question marks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 19, 2018 -> 10:34 AM) Even stuff like if they came from a showcase. Sox are linked to one guy for 2018 from a recent VZ showcase, 16 year old SS. J2 is going to be too much fun so will be interesting if there are any stories, like maybe a guy that tried out as a position player but sox signed them as a pitcher. The Sox are still under the caps for July 2, 2018, so the fun will be limited.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 17, 2018 -> 05:44 PM) Possibly but it's hard to feel a whole lot of sympathy for Williams when he has done the exact same thing. The padres were busted by the league but only the marlins and sox cases were cited and in both cases Manfred offered to rescind the trade. Of course it's possible if not likely the Padres did the same repeatedly before but it's also possible for players to get injured just by happenstance as well. So we will never know. Also remember James Shields was already 34 at the time of the trade and had a ton of mileage on his arm and was making way more then he was worth moving forward. Whether the Padres were honest or not with their medicals isn't even the point. The trade should have never been made even if he was completely healthy. Again, this is complete libel. Kenny Williams hasn't done the same thing. He did not create two sets of paperwork in order to be able to give an incomplete medical history to another team while hiding the teams true findings in order to fool other teams in an effort to hide injuries. This is exactly what was found by MLB.

QUOTE (FloydBannister1983 @ Feb 19, 2018 -> 03:03 PM) If the thread is dumb why comment on it? Why make multiple comments on such a dumb thread? Why make it all the way to the second and third page if it's so dumb? Couldn't you just read the first comment, consider it dumb and move along? You could be asked the same thing... but I am sure it is different right?

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 20, 2018 -> 08:59 AM) Yeah and Harry Pavlidis from BP in his Soxmachine podcast interview said the same. As a fan, it's easy to pant a rosier picture, but I also get there could be some disasters either in stop gap vets like Shields and MiGo, or poor performance from Giolito Lopes and most likely Fulmer. But, I do think becoming a big league pitcher is hard, and I won't be fatalistic if Giolito has a poor year if I see signs of him figuring it out. He could find his curveball and be Rich Hill. He could find a slider and have a workable 3 pitch repertoire. He has options to find to make a good pitcher if phase one doesn't work. Something like this is a happy medium. I don't like the lack of variety, but the average might not be too far from average. My guess is that a couple have breakout years, while a couple just bomb, and the average starters ERA is in the high 4 to 5 area.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 02:48 PM) He likes to create strawmen and then "destroy" them. See it in his YouTube videos, saw it in his debate with Cenk Uygur, see it in clips that I occasionally run across on Facebook. He typically will take an argument that someone makes, extend it well beyond the bounds of logic, using only his viewpoint as a basis for that extension, and then, based on his extension of the argument, he chides the original viewpoint as ridiculous. The biggest problem with trying to debate him is that once you've made an argument and he's gone off on his tangent, he refuses to accept anyone disagreeing with any of the myriad of additional premises he places in his counterargument. Sounds familiar to me.

670 The Score‏Verified account @670TheScore 2h2 hours ago Lucas Giolito and Tim Anderson are emerging as leaders for the White Sox, writes @MLBBruceLevine: http://cbsloc.al/2GhknlG

Paul Skrbina‏ @ChiTribSkrbina 5m5 minutes ago Slight clarification: he was asked whether there was any concern it could become career-threatening. Paul Skrbina @ChiTribSkrbina Joel Quenneville when asked whether Corey Crawford's injury was career-threatening: "Not sure about that. Too far out (to tell)."

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 01:22 PM) Possibly it's hard to feel sorry for and give the benefit of the doubt considering his own history *cough* Mike Sirotka. I do know the Red Sox were given the option of avoiding the trade so if they did some real shady stuff we would have had the same opportunity. That is absolutely a ridiculous leap, especially when the Padres were busted by the league for improprieties. This just comes off as petty.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 01:02 PM) ETFs are free falling right now. I don't have the tech analysis to know when to get in. For my two cents, I would always stick with the top companies when it comes to using ETF's. There are more than a few ETF's who only track what they are tracking, and they do not hold any physical representations of what they are trying to track. Stick with the SP, IShares and Powershares products. Second, if this is a longer term play, don't try too hard to pick a bottom to buy at. People who pick bottom's get s*** on their fingers.

The fact that the Padres also conned the White Sox on Shields medicals also keeps getting left out of the debate.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 10:08 AM) What's everyone's take on gold right now? The dollar is looking very weak. If it continues to weaken in this high inflation environment the commodities seem like a nice play. Add in the possibility of the fed hiking rates and it looks pretty ripe. Pretty good buying opportunity this morning for the gold etfs. Longer term with the massive issuing of debt, the inevitable collapse of bond prices because of it, and the fall of the dollar, I do like gold.

Also this.... https://twitter.com/HawleySports/status/964525998904696832

Regular season TV/Radio info https://twitter.com/pflowersTLS/status/964525702681948160

Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 22m22 minutes ago Sources: Mets and Jason Vargas have a deal pending physical

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 09:35 AM) I think if he was properly scouted he would have never been moved and if Shields was properly scouted he would have been never traded for. It wasn't like Tatis was part of some reverse Sale trade he was traded for a terrible pitcher who was pitching awful when he was acquired. Or to use another example remember when the Jays traded for Donaldson and it was some A ball player I think it was Barreto(sic) well he was ranked 33rd last year if memory serves. I think they got him plus Lawrie. That's sort of how you would have liked Tatis used in a trade but clearly the FO didn't think he was an up and coming prospect. Like I said they need to evaluate what ever processes led them to there because it was a huge miss. This is why everytime I read us connected to some sort of trade like Machado or Yelich I cringe not only because I don't think were ready because I'm not sure I trust the FO to decide which of the top prospects to trade or keep. Solid gymnastics to be pissed about both ends of things.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 09:13 AM) comps are so silly. All you are going to get for Hansen is some major leaguer that's really tall, Jimenez a big power hitter, Kopech someone that throws hard, and Dunning somebody that wears glasses. Nobody knows what Robert really looks like yet on this board at least. But he'll probably get comped to a Cuban. From the skillset that is talked about, the name Jackie Bradley Jr comes to mind. No idea what he actually looks like though. Another is Andrew McCutcheon with better defense.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Feb 16, 2018 -> 07:15 AM) Yes, they did scout him and did sign him. In fact they gave Tatis a pretty big signing bonus -- something like $2.5 million, IIRC. Then they never gave him a chance to play, trading him for arguably the worst player then in the majors. It's a head shaker. Uh, no. Try again.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 15, 2018 -> 09:37 PM) Here is a portion the updated writeup: Tatis Jr. has all the ingredients to become an offensive force in the Majors, as his bat speed, leveraged swing and overall capacity to make adjustments all portend a future plus hitter with plus power. He proved vulnerable to spin and sequencing early in the year but tightened his approach as the season progressed en route to pacing the Midwest League with 75 walks. Many evaluators believe Tatis Jr. is merely scraping the surface of his offensive potential, as he still has considerable room to grow into his tall and athletic frame. That larger frame doesn't currently impede Tatis Jr.'s abilities at shortstop, where he makes highlight-reel plays on a daily basis thanks to his athleticism, range and rocket arm, though further physical development could ultimately force him to third base. Even if that's case, Tatis Jr.'s bat gives him the ceiling of a perennial All-Star, possibly even an MVP candidate in his prime." I'm sort of over the trade but I hope Tatis is a teachable moment and they correct whatever caused them to mis-evaluate him so badly. So they only get dinged for trading him. Apparently they don't get any credit at all for scouting him and signing him. This is exactly why people get so angry about the trading getting brought up ad naseum.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759718...gramming-league

Sign #1 the tank is still on. White Sox fans beware: James Shields is back and ready for Opening Day https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...pening-day/amp/

James Fegan‏ @JRFegan 54m54 minutes ago Zack Burdi hasn’t been on the field obviously but he’s here working out at the White Sox complex as he works his way back from TJ

Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 6m6 minutes ago andrew cashner agrees with orioles. 16M, 2 years.

1 hr · Goaltender Jean-Francois Berube has been recalled from Rockford, and goaltender Jeff Glass has been assigned to the IceHogs.