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QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) Wouldn't he have played 2B for the Sox? Unless they really liked Micah so much that they would have played him ahead of Semien. And while the bolded is true, I think we gave up the best middle infielder we had. Anderson couldn't do what Semien is doing at the plate right now, that's a stretch, and scary stories about Semien's defense are exaggerated. In hindsight I think it is obvious the Sox wanted Micah Johnson to start at 2nd. I doubt Semien started there. He might have been the first call up after, or on the roster as a utility player. I believe if he was going to win a starting job, it would have been at 3rd, not 2nd.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) Well, sucking was expected unless your a total homer. Pace really needs to hit on this next draft. 9 total picks and 7 of them, they will have in the 1-5 range of each round. Huge young names and a massive amount of cap space in free agency could be huge for the Bears as well. Realistically they will have two first round picks next year, when you add in White taking the field,.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 03:27 PM) If Phegley ever has another year half as good as this one I'll eat my hat. Semien is still the only guy I'll miss from that deal - and I'll miss him plenty. Our system is loaded with SS's. Semien isn't someone I am that worried about, especially because if the guy we traded him for did anything at all, or the guy who was blocking him at SS hadn't sucked for the first two months of the year, no one would really care. Dealing Marcus was dealing surplus. Heck we could probably call up Tim Anderson today and get the same hitter/no fielder SS in the line up.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) I'm just saying: why not invest the $40 million to build the best minor league infrastructure in baseball instead of a wild-ass gamble on contending for a wild card? How many scouts could you hire with that? Every one of them could have a PhD in statistics! Good lord I can imagine the meltdown over that one...

Bulls set at 49.5 wins for o/u, and 12:1 on championship odds. Leaders are Cavs at 56.5 and 2:1 and Golden State 60.5 and 9:2. Spurs are 58.5 and 4:1 http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/137720...ason-win-totals

Miller and Bud are talking about a $100 billion merger. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/29/...N0RT23620150929

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) SS2k5, you make a very compelling counter.... really but i will go to the attendance. in the early 80-85 the sox outdrew the other team 86-90 the sox barely made 1.0 and i think that was the sportvision time. i am be wrong on the time. 90-94 the sox kick the other team arse. 2.9 thru 2.5 96 - thru to the other stats, has been dominated by the norht side. i am not offended by this or by as you say the truth according to you. the truth of the matter, the sox have had opportunities to really take over the chi media and yet, the short sightedness of the present owners have prevented it. how many ways does this needs to be explain. now the sox has set up secondary companies to max the profit without running under the umbrella of the sox org. there is the real profits are, the north iside never did this and will after their tv deal ends with CSN. so again, you are saying that the sox do not have the resources and again you are wrong. you choose to believe the stats that the company wants to spew without even giving it a second thought. no offense but are you really that gullible. No, gullible is for those who can't see more than one side in reality, and instead opt for the most simple answer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 01:40 PM) If you are going to live in the past, at least get the details right. The Cubs have existed for a long time before Jed and Theo got here. The passing of the Sox fan base didn't just happen in the last couple of years. That fan loyal fan base gives the franchise the ability to manage their team with a lot more options. Even before Ricketts bought the team, TribCo had one of the worst ownership reputations out there, and guess what... the Cubs still outdrew the Sox. I see many saying that what ownership has done hasn't worked, but how has what the fan base has done worked out? No matter the competence or incompetence level of White Sox management, they will always have a narrower window of opportunity, and fewer tools at their disposal to build a team because of their fan base dynamics. I am not sure why people take such personal offense to that fact, but it is reality, and it should be acknowledged. When you have fewer resources, it is going to be harder to do the same job as someone who has more resources. Any mistakes will be amplified and magnified because they will have less ability to absorb the consequences from that mistake. People who only want to talk about ownership are missing the forest for the trees. This is a question of resources, not being offended because your feelings are hurt by a truth. Now many will only see part of the post and start naming calling again, but what it boils down to is the more resources you can throw at a problem, the most chances you have at solving the problem. It is like wanting to retire, but not funding your 401K, and then wondering why your bank account is so small. Get past the hurt feelings and realize what it means to the franchise. QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) how many people in these few threads today have complained that the Sox don't spend enough on players? I don't recall many if any at all. The problem is they are stupid and short-sighted. $40 million in salary down the toilet this year on 4 bums they acquired. Decades of playing cheap with the minor league system. Finally that seems to have been changed a couple years ago, but assuming that problem is solved it will take another 5-10 years to see the full benefit. Again, take Edwin Jackson from the Cubs. They make a mistake, no big deal, they just go out and sign Jon Lester instead. For us, John Danks arm falls off and we hope he can rebuild his value enough to be able to deal him without losing too much more money. For the White Sox historically it has been EITHER fund the farm system OR add players to the major league team. For the Sox to fund the minors at that sort of level, it requires less money spent at the major league level. Teams with higher resources do both.

And now we have Rose's side of the gang rape allegations. http://www.tmz.com/2015/09/29/derrick-rose...click#continued

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Read that this morning. It was... awful. That whole article was bad - never seen CSN publish something that bad. Grammatical mistakes all over, complete misses on how some prospects were doing... just a really lackluster effort. I'd put any of the FS writers' version of this over what CSN published. I didn't say anything, because I was wondering if it was just me... The regular usage of fielding percentages was another messing item that stood out to me.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) btw i am going to use your words, this just reaffirm the idea that the sox do not have a freaking clue on how to take this club to the next step, whether it is owner's fault or the main GM / president. If you are going to live in the past, at least get the details right. The Cubs have existed for a long time before Jed and Theo got here. The passing of the Sox fan base didn't just happen in the last couple of years. That fan loyal fan base gives the franchise the ability to manage their team with a lot more options. Even before Ricketts bought the team, TribCo had one of the worst ownership reputations out there, and guess what... the Cubs still outdrew the Sox. I see many saying that what ownership has done hasn't worked, but how has what the fan base has done worked out? No matter the competence or incompetence level of White Sox management, they will always have a narrower window of opportunity, and fewer tools at their disposal to build a team because of their fan base dynamics. I am not sure why people take such personal offense to that fact, but it is reality, and it should be acknowledged. When you have fewer resources, it is going to be harder to do the same job as someone who has more resources. Any mistakes will be amplified and magnified because they will have less ability to absorb the consequences from that mistake. People who only want to talk about ownership are missing the forest for the trees. This is a question of resources, not being offended because your feelings are hurt by a truth. Now many will only see part of the post and start naming calling again, but what it boils down to is the more resources you can throw at a problem, the most chances you have at solving the problem. It is like wanting to retire, but not funding your 401K, and then wondering why your bank account is so small. Get past the hurt feelings and realize what it means to the franchise.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) they have always had a owner who was not afraid to spen, and a FO of an idea on how to market their team. they were never afraid to fire a manager who was not cutting it and they did not have their pet lackey's on the payroll. this last recent hiring of a gm and manager goes to prove that. now in 2005 and 2006 they out drew the sox.... sox 05 - 2.3 mil 06 - 2.9 07 - 2.6 08 - 2.5 09 - 2.2 10 - 2.2 11 - 2.0 12 - 1.9 13 - 1.7 the other team 05 - 3.1 06 - 3.1 07 - 3.3 08 - 3.3 09 - 3.1 10 - 3.1 11 - 3.1 12 - 2.5 13 - 2.6 14 - 2.6 Again, five years ago they had none of that, and still had the same fan base. Those attendance numbers just reaffirm exactly what I am saying.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) The insistence on getting Montas big league starts this season makes me wonder if they're not thinking of him as the 5th starter. In a lost year, I have no problem with the team getting guys like Montas a taste of the big leagues. Especially if they are worried about guys like Sale and Rodon on innings limits, there is nothing wrong with a guy like Montas sucking up a couple of starts. It isn't like Johnson who they have put on a regular turn through the rotation.

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Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 37m37 minutes ago After Derrick Rose made his free agency comments at Media Day, I followed up with him on that topic during an interview. Rose about his future: "I would love to stay here. That would be my dream to stay here, but in 2 years a lot could change. So who knows? Me: A lot could change in what way? With you not wanting to be here? Rose: Who knows? 2 years is a lot of time, but I would love to stay. Rose: It's not on my mind, but when you're talking about X amount of dollars. I think it would make anybody think about it. About getting more money somewhere else? Rose: Not somewhere else. Your next contract. Period. My next contract period.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) The Sox should keep Montas because I doubt there are teams thinking he can start. He's overweight, has bad knees, can't get past the 6th inning and isn't consistent enough with his changeup. He can be elite in the bullpen though. Everyone has gotten really scared about trading Quintana but there is certainly a scenario where he could bring back a big return that changes the offensive landscape of the organization. For that reason, I believe the team must entertain trading him. All this conjecture,"We can't trade him he's undervalued" is irrelevant. You see what the market responds with and then make the decision. Quintana is a darling of analytics and some team will very likely give up real assets for him that are collectively comparable. I am looking at you Boston, Cincinnati, Houston, Los Angeles (NL), Arizona and dare I say the Cubs? Unless you are getting back a true starting position player at a position of weakness, there is no good reason to trade Montas.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) ok i will bite, the truth does hurt, they have a better group of owners, they have a better group of FO personnel they have a better group of marketing / advertising they have a better team manager they have a better idea of what is needed and how to make it work, esp in marketing and advertising. and lastly they are not afraid of spending the money ..... so how did i do, now you want to ask me on who won???? They didn't have any of those people five years ago, and they still had the fan base. If that isn't proof that the whole idea of the Sox needing John McDonough to turn things around is just silly, I don't know what is.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) Or we can trade from our strength (Quintana/Fulmer/Montas) and sign a starter to fill the hole. I know Montas/Fulmer aren't in the rotation now but there's no reason the Sox can't spend money in the one area they have a track record in. This is exactly why the evaluation of Erik Johnson is so important right now. Montas and Fulmer are realistically not ready for the big time, because of their lack of innings. If a deal is made, Johnson is the leader to take that spot in the rotation.

Also Dead-money leaders for the Bears. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/dead-m.../chicago-bears/

Spotrac ‏@spotrac 19h19 hours ago The #Bears now have $91.9M allocated to 37 players on their 2016 salary cap, an est. $60M in space to work with. http://bit.ly/1LYgwWc

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) truth hurts.... cmon now, lets not get delusional here. the north side fans will accept all that garbage the owner will spew out. And they have Jon Lester to show for it. Who won?

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) If you replaced Claussen with Rodgers, you are telling me the bears would have had more than 63 yards passing and 18 punts? You are being a homer. I know this is laced with sarcasm, but I wish there was a way to put a guy like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady behind the Bears offensive line and see how good they really are.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/2015-r...ts-fared-minors

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) how man, i really can't believe you went there. the lowest of all low comparing the sox to that other team. Truth hurts.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 11:09 AM) there are fans that will accept the whitewash from the powers to be and swallows it. Yet here you still are, even having all of this knowledge of how bad it is.