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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) EJM has been doing workouts with clubs for weeks now. I'd expect a signing soon, probably to a team already over their Intl limit for the year. But the Sox are still mentioned among the teams tracking him and interested. Outside shot probably, but not zero chance. The Sox have an interesting road to make. From all indications there are a boat load of talented Cubans on the open market, or about to be. If they decide this is their year to blow through the caps (and if they are scouting EJM, they are at least thinking about it) they could absolutely load up their farm system in a hurry with talented young players.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) One caveat: If the White Sox thought there was a >50% chance Sale was traded during the offseason then shutting him down would be the correct move. #2 would be if he is already hurting that we don't know about, shut him down. Other than that, run him out there like you normally would.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:56 AM) I continue to think it's also very smart to get him throwing extra innings at this time of year to stretch his arm out on the off chance that he is needed in a playoff run during these next couple years. This is endurance training. Bingo. If you want him ready to go 230-250 innings in a year or two, you have to have him in the 200 to 220 range this year.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) I understand the difficulties with it, but that's exactly what I'm trying to do -- it's AN age-old question: are the athletes today better than the athletes of yesterday. I contend yes, but there are many that disagree. I have no doubt that the athlete's are bigger strong and faster than the good old days. I have no doubt that the players of past eras would absolutely suck in this modern age. Between conditioning, equipment, and game innovations, etc, almost every advantage belongs to the modern player. Babe Ruth would eat himself out of the game in rookie ball if he were simply dropped into the 21st century as is. A complete suck like John Danks would be the best pitcher ever if he were dropped into 1908.

Speaking of Cuban's, did Eddy Julio Martinez go back to Cuba or something? There was a ton of fire around him during the Jul 2 signings, and now nothing.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) But what's the actual positive take-away from her tenure? What positive leadership can you point to? I don't need to point to "positives" to recognize a hit piece type of article. That article was littered with misleading and wrong statistics, and woven with glittering generalities that can be applied to pretty much anyone in a position of power.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) I don't know why you'd call it a spin article, it's more of a recap of Sonnenfeld's criticisms of Fiorina's leadership at HP that go back over a decade. Sonnenfeld's background is business management, specifically executive leadership, and he's taught at both Harvard Business School and now Yale. Fiorina had to fight a battle to get the merger approved within HP, and even then it was a close margin. Nothing from her tenure worked out, and even if "merge with other failing company in the same declining market" is conventional wisdom, it still doesn't really help her case. That would mean she showed no real leadership or innovation, and she still missed the boat on where the tech industry was going. Now, so did a lot of people. There's lots of tech failures out there. But that doesn't make her any less of a failure. She engaged in some empire-building, made a bunch of money for herself and left HP-Compaq in terrible shape. If the options traders were excited about that merger, doesn't that say more about their abilities given how massively it failed? Read the "criticisms" again and tell me that half of those aren't things that every single politician does on a daily basis. You could write the exact same article about Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton too. A good number of the stats that were quoted are misleading as well, and they definitely aren't comparing apples to apples. Again, I survived the era on a trading floor., I saw this stuff play out first hand. Lines like this one... ... are compete trash. Some companies fell in value 27%? Sure. Many others during that era fell 100% and went bankrupt. Why forget those? That era of late 2001 into the middle 2000's were a blood bath for tech companies. The high flyers of 98-01 were the bankruptcies and desperation mergers of 2002 to 2005. Again taking a company in the same industry like Dell saw a huge hit to their bottom lines and stock prices during the same era.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) How? (bold) You can bet your bottom dollar that they Hawks have their people looking into this, and aren't just trusting Kane and his lawyer. Who knows what information they have. The Hawks have also shown that they are perfectly willing to put unsightly people on their payroll, regardless of their past, when it wins them games and doesn't cost them money.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) The fact that the Hawks are playing him in the preseason games tells me they know he's innocent. If he were actually guilty, there's no chance they would even put him on the ice. Not really. Not at all actually. It might mean they think he is innocent, or it might even mean they think he is guilty, but it can't be proven enough to take a PR hit for playing him.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) Just to let the legal situation play out and avoid all the craziness and bad publicity going on. "Suspend" is the wrong word, I see nothing wrong with having him sit out for now while still getting paid. Unless the NHL is privy to a clean set of facts that the rest of us aren't, as muddy as this case is, I don't agree. I want to see something way more dependable, such as a grand jury indictment, before I am willing to jump on that bandwagon.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Also "being an average CEO in a declining market" isn't exactly the typical private resume we've seen touted for president of the united states. But her reputation as that CEO really wasn't good, it was a drag on her in the California gubernatorial race. When the only relevant portion of your resume is "I did okay in a bad situation", not sure the desire to try and go straight to the top of government. Try actually winning a state race first. As opposed to say the leader in the polls for the Republican nomination right now...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) Look at Sonnenfield's article. The merger was criticized heavily from when it was first proposed. lol. I worked on the floor of an options exchange next to the crowd where HP was traded, and across from where Dell was traded when the merger was announced. I remember the atmosphere well without a spin article.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) That would be much easier to do if the NHL and/or the Hawks did the smart thing and suspend him for the time being. (with pay if necessary) At this stage I have a hard time taking a mans job from him. If/once charges are filed, sure suspend away. With as much fiction and mystery that surround the case, I would rather see some solid facts established before a suspension.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) There's something fundamentally different though about "rules stating that people who are great players already aren't allowed to play". The end result is the same, no matter the social statement. A large portion of the population isn't a part of the talent pool.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) Walsh was also facing a much smaller pool of talent. No black, Latino, or Asian players. It was easier to be dominant in his era. 100 years from now we might be saying the same thing about Chinese, Indian, etc. Most of the world doesn't play baseball. It doesn't diminish what they did in the moment.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) And this is what I don't like. Sale is harder to hit by who? Players today or players in Walsh's era? If you say Walsh's era, well that's obvious. You can't give pitchers 100 years of science and technology to use to advance themselves but not hitters. This is why you can't compare eras. You can only compare a player in relation to his peers. And in Walsh's era, he was every bit as dominant as Chris Sale. Bingo. This is exactly how I feel about it.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) On paper the moves the Sox made were well regarded by baseball people (not just fans) across the board. SOMETHING happens when those guys put on the uniform however and this has been happening for years...you can go all the way back to David Wells. There is something about the front office / culture of the franchise that is at least in some way responsible for this happening. Until that changes, until new people are brought in to the front office and individuals are held accountable for results by their jobs being on the line, you are going to see more of this stuff happening. The Sox have a historical baseline long enough now to tell me it's chronic under the individuals responsible for running the franchise. Just my thoughts. Mark Can every thread not turn into complaining about Jerry Reinsdorf? Even a completely unrelated thread about Sale and the strikeout thread has to turn into that. It gets old and ruins any discussion.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) The best you can say about Fiorina is that she wasn't solely responsible for HP's decline, but her major acquisition of another failing PC company definitely hastened it. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/201...eld-2016-213163 edit: and her campaign's response to Sonnenfield's criticism was to libel him. Consolidation in a declining industry is a pretty typical response. It gives the companies a chance to expand footprint, while cutting costs by eliminating duplicate operations and employees. It just so happened that the technology changes that happened were way faster than imagined they would be. It ended up being a disaster, but that doesn't mean the logic behind it didn't have historical merit.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Buying Compaq, a consumer PC maker, at the end of the PC market certainly didn't help. Failing to get on to any of the emerging trends in tech because you were pursuing that boondoggle really didn't help. Dell has circled the exact same drain. If you think back to even 10 year ago and all of the names that were on PC's then, they are pretty much all gone. The market came and went.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:07 AM) I'm not a sexist. I mean look, Carly ruined HP and I don't like these big-time CEOs of companies that get paid zillions of dollars when the little guy gets much less. Hillary? Geez. There are so many examples of her being just an elitist-type mean person. I don't want her in the White House, sorry. And ooops add Sarah Palin to my dislike/hate list. I mean I just don't like anything bout her, either. From her policies to her demeanor, me no likey Palin. Now Elizabeth Dole?? I love her. Class act. Wonderful! Give me some more choices. Not Florina and Hilly for gosh sakes. I respect many many people on soxtalk. I just don't see how anybody who likes a good hot dog and beer and ballgame, a down and dirty Chicago southsider, can be for somebody who comes across as so non-chicago as Hilly! Again, I will support women! Just not Hilly/Florina/Sarah. Fiorina didn't ruin HP. The end of the PC market ruined HP. The meme that she did it is lazy at best.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 09:51 AM) This is one of the most interesting instances of rate stats vs counting stats, IMO. It also should absolutely put to rest the idea that old-timey pitchers were as dominating as today's aces. The Hawks of the world can claim that these guys were throwing "as hard as anyone" and that they just didn't have radar guns, but there's just no way that's true. Now, the old-timey aces very well may have been just as VALUABLE as today's ace because of the massive disparity in workload, but it seems too obvious to me that they made a clear tradeoff to prioritize innings over dominance. And there can't be much question who would would be superior on a per-batter basis. That Sale is on the verge of overcoming an old-timey COUNTING stat record is, IMO, as indicative of how insanely dominant he is as well as it is indicative of how relatively weak the Sox history of high-end pitching is. After all, it SHOULD be impossible to break a counting record like that despite throwing less than HALF the innings. That is exactly why I posted this. I found it fascinating. The big difference is stats is that Walsh has a 6.7 H/9 rate, a 1.1 BB/9 rate, and a 0 HR rate. That's right, he gave up 0 homers is 464 innings of work in 1908. Sale checks in at 8.0 H/9, 1.8 BB/9 and 1.0 HR/9.

I think whoever said yesterday that they officially had no idea what to think anymore was spot on. This case went from pretty traditional, to completely unique in one press conference. At this point, who knows what is reality and what is fiction.

Chris Sale is currently sitting at 259 strike outs on the season. Sale has gotten those K's in 29 starts and 194 2/3 innings pitched. Ed Walsh currently holds the franchise record with 269 strikeouts in 1908. The amazing thing is that it took Walsh 66 games, including 49 starts over 464 innings to get those 269 strike outs. Walsh sported a 5.2 K/9 in that 1908 season, Sale is at 12.0. The most impressive comparison is their control. Walsh put up a 4.8 K/BB ratio in his 1908 season. Sale is at 6.48.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 10:57 PM) lol. Nice backtracking. Next time look on the back of the baseball card before you post and you won't embarrass yourself. The irony, obviously missed, was that Geo was a huge regression candidate next year, but apparently it is already happening. The embarrassing thing is that you missed that even with looking up the stats again.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 08:56 PM) Highly doubt any team is giving up 3-5 players "who can hit" for one player, especially in the era of the pitcher right now. I think some people are way over-estimating the package we could get. Think Texiera return... and then add to that.